[PGT] Flames 3 Oilers 1

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would rather the Flames top players have a great last 7 games and continue to boost their stock.

As long as those players are dealt. I doubt that happens. This organization is way too fixed on "the last seven games" to move players when it matters.

[CNeufeld]

Originally Posted by New Era

I always like to beat the ######bags up the QEII, but that was a nothing game and could have contributed to a better draft position. Not cheering for the team to lose, but when you're not making the playoffs, do everything in your power to secure a better draft position. Opportunity lost?

There's never a positive to losing to the Oilers. Speaking as someone who lives up with the great unwashed... They can lose the rest of the games this year, but beat the Oilers whenever possible.

Personally though, I'd prefer they kept trying as long as they're not mathematically eliminated. It's not like Montreal or Vancouver are racing away. And both their schedules suck, compared to Calgary's.

C

[btimbit]

I loved Lucic celebrating which made Smith not bother searching for the puck, which gave Dube a chance to bash in in

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Flames aren't going to make the playoffs I'd rather they finish as close to last as possible and get a top pick, but they can do that without losing to the oilers.

Losing to the oilers is never OK. #### that team, and #### their (mostly) crappy fans. Idiots who are fans of a team that is about to make the playoffs for only the 2nd time in like 15 years shouldn't be chirping anybody. Especially when the only reason they've made those two playoff appearances is because they won the Mcdip##### lottery because of the increased odds they got due to rule changes that happened only because their own ineptness.

It's absolutely disgusting from top to bottom.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Some of you guys act like losing a couple games will get them 1st overall...look at the standings there won't be much movement.

I would rather the Flames top players have a great last 7 games and continue to boost their stock.

Exactly.

Where they stand they have a 5.2% shot at a top two pick. Lose every game and it's something like 7%, win every game and it's something like 3%.

This isn't a big deal.

May as well get some stats for star players that they plan on shopping. And when playing Edmonton? Win just win.

[1qqaaz]

Okay, but regardless of the lottery, picking 7th is still a lot better than picking 12th/13th.
Right now the Flames are set to pick 10th. This is down from 5th/6th a few weeks ago.

We've gone from talking about Eklund/Johnson/Clarke to talking about Sillinger/Lucius/Pastujov.
It looks like there's a pretty stark drop-off after the top 8.

Beating Edmonton is always nice, but otherwise it's too bad that a few wins can result in having a lower quality player.
In 3 years, no one will care about any of these games anyways.

[dammage79]

^^^Don't forget MacTavish.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Okay, but regardless of the lottery, picking 7th is still a lot better than picking 12th/13th.
Right now the Flames are set to pick 10th. This is down from 5th/6th a few weeks ago.

We've gone from talking about Eklund/Johnson/Clarke to talking about Sillinger/Lucius/Pastujov.
It looks like there's a pretty stark drop-off after the top 8.

Beating Edmonton is always nice, but otherwise it's too bad that a few wins can result in having a lower quality player.
In 3 years, no one will care about any of these games anyways.

I want to keep the games interesting for three weeks. That's where I stand.

I don't see the odds as all that high, but I want those games against Vancouver to matter as a hockey fan.

Whether they pick 7th or 10th they're not getting the franchise player this team badly needs regardless.

[1qqaaz]

I just can't agree.
The difference between Kent Johnson and Mason McTavish is just too big for me to care about 2 weeks worth of games. In a draft, the cost to trade up from #13 to #7 can actually be quite substantial (two second round picks?). I'd rather just get that value for free.

I do somehow manage to cheer for wins while the games are happening.
But then I quickly revert back to tank mode for the rest of the day.

Your point about the trade chips getting points has merit. I'm not complaining about them increasing their trade value.
I guess that's the upside towards having these wins.

[Jay Random]

In a year like this, when the draft is supposedly weak and a lot of prospects haven't even played, I can't get too worried about draft position. I'm sure there will be more than the usual number of first-round busts and late-round steals, especially with the OHL shut down.

I don't envy the job of any scout trying to identify the BPA in this mess.

You might as well win the games.

[Delthefunky]

Tanking for lottery picks is what Edmonton does. Look how far that got them. They got extremely lucky with McDavid, but I don't think he's a winner either. I would rather we demand the best out of our players -- having the right team mentality in this game goes a lot farther then a top 10 pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Okay, but regardless of the lottery, picking 7th is still a lot better than picking 12th/13th.
Right now the Flames are set to pick 10th. This is down from 5th/6th a few weeks ago.

We've gone from talking about Eklund/Johnson/Clarke to talking about Sillinger/Lucius/Pastujov.
It looks like there's a pretty stark drop-off after the top 8.

Beating Edmonton is always nice, but otherwise it's too bad that a few wins can result in having a lower quality player.
In 3 years, no one will care about any of these games anyways.

But there are always fallers in the draft. Guarantee we can snag one, especially with how wild this draft will be with the oddball year it's been.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

Tanking for lottery picks is what Edmonton does. Look how far that got them. They got extremely lucky with McDavid, but I don't think he's a winner either. I would rather we demand the best out of our players -- having the right team mentality in this game goes a lot farther then a top 10 pick.

The Flames have tried this mentality for the last 31 seasons and have made it past the first round twice. They're one of two teams to have never picked in the top-3, and the other (Vegas) has only existed since 2017.

Maybe it's time to try being really, really bad for a while.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames have tried this mentality for the last 31 seasons and have made it past the first round twice. They're one of two teams to have never picked in the top-3, and the other (Vegas) has only existed since 2017.

Maybe it's time to try being really, really bad for a while.

Yep. Be really, really bad for a short period of time and give yourself a shot at improving rather than just being really bad over a long period of time and never improving.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I want to keep the games interesting for three weeks. That's where I stand.

I don't see the odds as all that high, but I want those games against Vancouver to matter as a hockey fan.

Whether they pick 7th or 10th they're not getting the franchise player this team badly needs regardless.

Agreed.

Give me a "win out and they're in" scenario vs the Canucks.

Watching any Darryl-coached team with their backs against the wall but a chance at glory is must watch hockey and I'm here for it.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Whether they pick 7th or 10th they're not getting the franchise player this team badly needs regardless.

Maybe not franchise player, but IMO you're more likely to get a Zibanejad, Rantanen, Scheifele, Couturier etc at 7 than at 10. A team with a talent deficit like ours has no business winning out.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames have tried this mentality for the last 31 seasons and have made it past the first round twice. They're one of two teams to have never picked in the top-3, and the other (Vegas) has only existed since 2017.

Maybe it's time to try being really, really bad for a while.

So what’s the plan? Ask the players to half ass it for the remaining games or ask the coach to put together lines that won’t work well? Trying to convince either to throw games intentionally for a chance at a player that may or may not improve your team 3 or 4 years from now seems like a hard sell.

[btimbit]

I'm all for a higher draft pick, but knowing full well that what way I cheer for has zero bearing on what they do, I'm going to go ahead and get onboard with the playoff push.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames have tried this mentality for the last 31 seasons and have made it past the first round twice. They're one of two teams to have never picked in the top-3, and the other (Vegas) has only existed since 2017.

Maybe it's time to try being really, really bad for a while.

Being bad doesn't get you a top-3 pick. Being lucky does.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Going up a few spots in the draft is practically meaningless in this year's draft.



Contrast and compare the initial preseason draft rankings with the end of season final rankings, and look at how much movement there is, even in the top 10. The top few spots generally don't move too much (though there are surprises).


Heck, just look at the 2015 draft. Kylington was #3 overall on a couple of lists, and then saw his draft stock plummet to a late first rounder, and then was finally drafted as the last pick of the 2nd round.


That same year, Andersson was pre-ranked in the top 10 (IIRC, I saw him on a list at 8). He fell to the 2nd round too.


There are a lot of kids that didn't get a look this year because they didn't play, or didn't play enough, or not enough scouts saw them, or scouts are looking at tape instead of live games. Many scouts are looking at their notes from last year (I know the Flames keep tabs on players entering junior hockey and compile notes on basically all the kids so they have a better 'book' on them). They have to look at year old video in some cases.


This draft is a crap-shoot. Is there an advantage of drafting higher? Of course there is. However, it is LESS advantageous than in most years.


Keep piling on the wins. I trust that there are kids who were going to rise and kids who were going to fall, and nobody would have known just how high or how low those moves would have been because nobody has enough of a book on the majority of players this year.



Just win until you are out. Then we can 'celebrate' the losses. This isn't a normal draft. I am confident the Flames have done a lot of homework in the past, and will find a diamond in the first round.