Honestly, I can't say which is more amusing to me: that an awkward thread started by a bona fide troll is still alive and active, or that CP posters who are younger than my youngest still love and know The Beatles. Probably, the latter. My parents were Beatles fans. My youngest daughter is a Beatles fan. Just think about it: can you name a single band/performer today in their teens that seems capable of reaching such an incredible legacy of being a favourite band of three generations of listeners? I can't think of a single one and I do listen to a lot of music.
P.S. As for Beatles vs. Stones - there's no effin' contest. Beatles' albums have been increasingly higher level and more complex, musically, with each consecutive record. If only they had a better drummer; who knows how much better they would have been. Stones have never written a single song above the standard 4-5 school band chord sequence. Simple, sing-along-ish, crowd pleasing, cool - all yes; but not even close to the musical complexity and advance frontiers achieved in the SPLHCB, White Album and Abbey Road.
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P.S. As for Beatles vs. Stones - there's no effin' contest. Beatles' albums have been increasingly higher level and more complex, musically, with each consecutive record. If only they had a better drummer; who knows how much better they would have been. Stones have never written a single song above the standard 4-5 school band chord sequence. Simple, sing-along-ish, crowd pleasing, cool - all yes; but not even close to the musical complexity and advance frontiers achieved in the SPLHCB, White Album and Abbey Road.
These are fair points. I love them both, but apples and oranges really. If forced to choose, I might prefer the Stones for having more soul and grit and sexiness. I really like Paul as a solo artist. As far as the Beatles being more complex, I would give George Martin a good deal of credit for that. My favorite band is XTC who are often compared to the Beatles, and influenced by the Kinks.
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If I had to pick a favourite group, it would probably be Daft Punk. Big fan of house music, but also like plenty of rock, 70's funk...not to restricted on tastes, just no dubstep, because that doesn't count as music.
If I had to pick a favourite group, it would probably be Daft Punk. Big fan of house music, but also like plenty of rock, 70's funk...not to restricted on tastes, just no dubstep, because that doesn't count as music.
Okay, I'll give it a shot. The cool thing about the Beatles is that they were so experimental and talented that you can literally find songs that influenced many future genres of music and trends. You've probably heard these before, I tried not to go too deep cut hipster.
1- While My Guitar Gently Weeps
A cool song because it was written and song by George rather than John & Paul. George's songs didn't get much love in the early years and he was usually restricted to one song per album. As the band moved into the later 60s George actually wrote some of the bands more famous songs, including this one.
One of the most guitar heavy Beatles songs, and really kind of led the way into the lead guitar driven rock of the 1970s. Interesting enough the lead guitar on this song was actually played by his good friend and legendary guitarist Eric Clapton.
2- Got to Get you Into my Life
A Paul song, and might be more Soul/Motown driven than Funk, but still has some early funk sounds in my opinion. Paul actually wrote this about his growing love of marijuana... Eventually covered by Earth, Wind and Fire so I think it could appeal to your funk taste.
3- A Day in the Life
Most of the lyrics were inspired from the news stories in an open newspaper sitting in front of John while he wrote this one. Paul provided a snippet of a song that he had been writing for the middle of this song, and they were attached by a "crescendo of sound" played by a full orchestra in both the middle of the song, and then later with a massive buildup to the finale, in which the final chord was played by 5 people on 3 pianos and a harmonium. They had to make the mics so sensitive to create this enormous chord sound that if you listen with good headphones you can hear paper shuffling, etc... in the background.
John was notoriously self loathing and this was the only song he ever wrote that he thought turned out perfectly and how he had envisioned it.
4- I'm Looking Through You
Criminally underrated in my opinion, this was written by Paul for the Rubber Soul album. This album for many is when the Beatles first started getting away from their "Boy Band, Poppy" sound and began to experiment with different sounds. A nice acoustic guitar drives the song, but it features a Vox Continental keyboard supporting the mid-song riffs to add bite to the sound. Early example of Beatles adding some transistorized keyboards to their music.
5- Tomorrow Never Knows
This is a John song, and very much psychedelic. The lyrics were from the Timothy Leary's book on psychedelics and the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I honestly don't like this song as much as others as I prefer their more melodic stuff, but since you like house music this one is notable as one of the first examples of electronic music in the mainstream. It is primarily driven by Ringo's steady drum beat, with constant different tape loops prepared by John Lennon providing the iconic sound. John's voice was fed through an amplifier normally used with a Hammond organ to give it a distant and distorted effect. Even the guitar solo was looped backwards. It may not sound impressive now, but this stuff just wasn't being done by many in the mid 60s. This song couldn't be played live with the technology of the day.
6- Come Together
Everybody's heard this song. Originally intended by John to be a campaign song for Timothy Leary's attempt to become Governor of California. I figured I maybe losing you by song 6, so had to finish with a strong funky pick.
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If I had to pick a favourite group, it would probably be Daft Punk. Big fan of house music, but also like plenty of rock, 70's funk...not to restricted on tastes, just no dubstep, because that doesn't count as music.
First off, there is some good dubstep, especially the early stuff which is sparser. Check out Burial’s Untrue. If you’re into House you’ll dig it.
Secondly, just listen to the Beatles catalog from beginning to end, making sure to choose the mono mixes for the albums before Sgt. Pepper. This should be required listening for every music fan.
The older stuff that was more similar to D&B was OK, but anything produced after maybe 2005 is just unbearable. I'm not sure what you mean by what do I consider it is? It's a genre. It has a very distinct sound, with bass drops, and wub wubs. if your asking me to name some artists, well, I can't because I avoid it as much as I can. 5-10 years ago it was popping up everywhere. Irritating.
This is a John song, and very much psychedelic. The lyrics were from the Timothy Leary's book on psychedelics and the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I honestly don't like this song as much as others as I prefer their more melodic stuff, but since you like house music this one is notable as one of the first examples of electronic music in the mainstream. It is primarily driven by Ringo's steady drum beat, with constant different tape loops prepared by John Lennon providing the iconic sound. John's voice was fed through an amplifier normally used with a Hammond organ to give it a distant and distorted effect. Even the guitar solo was looped backwards. It may not sound impressive now, but this stuff just wasn't being done by many in the mid 60s. This song couldn't be played live with the technology of the day.
The drums serve as the basis for Setting Sun by the Chemical Brothers.
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What’s remarkable about the Beatles is the sheer output of top-notch pop songs. Between 1963 and 1970 they released 13 studio albums, along with 13 singles (with b-sides) that did not appear on albums. 186 songs in eight years, and almost no duds or filler in the bunch.
You could throw away the Beatles’ 50 or so biggest hits (say everything on the ‘blue album’ and ‘red album’ compilations) and I’d still put their remaining catalogue up against any of their peers in pop music.
Anyone with a more than casual interest in the Beatles needs to read Ian MacDonald’s Revolution in the Head, a song-by-song breakdown of their output, with notes on how the songs were written and their cultural context at the time. Great stuff.
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Okay, I'll give it a shot. The cool thing about the Beatles is that they were so experimental and talented that you can literally find songs that influenced many future genres of music and trends. You've probably heard these before, I tried not to go too deep cut hipster.
Great list. I’ll be that guy who submits the deep cut hipster list. I’ll even do the ‘I liked their early stuff better’ cliche.
1. All I’ve Gotta Do - Early, soulful Lennon ballad. Great harmonies. Shows the band’s early mastery of R&B.
2. Any Time At All - Lead-off rocker from Hard Day’s Night. Gives a sense of the driving, guitar-driven band they were live. Lennon shredding the vocals.
3. Things We Said Today - McCartney already flexing those harmony muscles. Swerves into more of a rocker in the middle eight and then back to a ballad. The kind of song that would have been a hit for a lesser band, but by this point the Beatles were cranking out hits so fast it got overlooked.
4. For No One - One of McCartney’s most beautiful melodies, right up there with mega-famous songs like Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, and Maybe I’m Amazed.
5. Good Morning, Good Morning - One of the lesser known songs from Sgt Peppers, a gritty rocker at odds with the psychedelia of Sgt Peppers. The stripped-down Anthology version is even better.
6. Hey Bulldog - Fantastic groove built around a fantastic riff. The video is also awesome.
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Anyone with a more than casual interest in the Beatles needs to read Ian MacDonald’s Revolution in the Head, a song-by-song breakdown of their output, with notes on how the songs were written and their cultural context at the time. Great stuff.
You know, when I was younger I used to look for and read a lot about my favourite music performers. Subscribed to Rolling Stone for decades. Then, I just stopped. The less personal details we know about any of them, the better. And from the musical perspective - they are useless, unless critic's musical tastes are same as yours.
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When talking about The Beatles, one thing that stands out is how many of their songs have been used to pioneer new directions. Like "Helter Skelter" (>>> pretty much all of heavy metal), or "Within You Without You" (>>> countless rock-bands starting to learn and incorporate east-Indian harmonic tonal key sequences), or "Honey Pie" (>>>Queen), or "Golden Slumbers/Carry the Weight >>> ELO), this list is endless. Nothing that Rolling Stones have written, started anything new/pioneering much.
I remember Dave Grohl speaking about the feeling he had hearing "Hey Bulldog" for the first time. He said something to the effect of "my whole world was turning upside down, I wanted to run to my guitar and start playing something, I couldn't stop thinking about it..."
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I cannot believe no one has mentioned this song yet. Easily top ten Beatles song, probably top five even. The audacity and genius to even conjure up this song is unreal.
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You know, when I was younger I used to look for and read a lot about my favourite music performers. Subscribed to Rolling Stone for decades. Then, I just stopped. The less personal details we know about any of them, the better.
I agree that you don’t really want to know about the personal lives of these people, as even the few who were decent human beings before they became famous inevitably become deranged egomaniacs. Someone gave me a biography of Brian Jones for Christmas a few years ago, and he was a nasty, nasty piece of work right from the get-go as an adolescent.
Still, I’ve read several biographies of the Beatles (including the absurdly detailed Tune In*) just because I find their early lives, the environment they grew up in, and rise to fame such a compelling story.
* 944 pages (1728 in the extended edition!) gets you to the release of their first single
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Great list. I’ll be that guy who submits the deep cut hipster list. I’ll even do the ‘I liked their early stuff better’ cliche.
1. All I’ve Gotta Do - Early, soulful Lennon ballad. Great harmonies. Shows the band’s early mastery of R&B.
2. Any Time At All - Lead-off rocker from Hard Day’s Night. Gives a sense of the driving, guitar-driven band they were live. Lennon shredding the vocals.
3. Things We Said Today - McCartney already flexing those harmony muscles. Swerves into more of a rocker in the middle eight and then back to a ballad. The kind of song that would have been a hit for a lesser band, but by this point the Beatles were cranking out hits so fast it got overlooked.
4. For No One - One of McCartney’s most beautiful melodies, right up there with mega-famous songs like Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, and Maybe I’m Amazed.
5. Good Morning, Good Morning - One of the lesser known songs from Sgt Peppers, a gritty rocker at odds with the psychedelia of Sgt Peppers. The stripped-down Anthology version is even better.
6. Hey Bulldog - Fantastic groove built around a fantastic riff. The video is also awesome.
