The Legend of Sam Bennett

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I'd say Lindholm got legitimate top six opportunity in Carolina. Which allowed their return for him to not be a B prospect and a second rounder.

Though I do get a chuckle out of "Even if Bennett keeps this pace up Huberdeau is a world class talent, playing with him is a huge boost" as if Gaudreau, Tkachuk circa 2019, Mangiapane etc are not a huge boost to a guy like Lindholm.

I think that it shows that Huberdeau is quite a bit better than the Calgary guys.

Mangiapane is not even in the discussion of this type of player.

But it's not like Bennett ever got a real chance to settle in with Calgary's best players. Sometimes it's just a fit thing.

[Bourque's Twin]

Might buy a Panthers Bennett jersey and wear it to the Dome every game until Tre is fired.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I hope we draft a Kucherov (or even an Andersson), I just want certain people to understand the odds are slim.

Odds are, as bad as Bennett was here, that we lost the trade (but it was still a risk we probably needed to take).

Also could have lost him for nothing in the expansion draft. As much as people here now say he is a slam dunk 2nd line center and the Flames are dumb no GM was offering more than a couple seconds obviously and even then it took until the deadline.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Mangiapane is not even in the discussion of this type of player..

Mangiapane is arguably Calgary's best forward - better than Lindholm or Gaudreau or Tkachuk. He's certainly in this discussion. Drives puck possession at an elite level, drives goal differentials at an elite level, scores with the best of them, racks up primary assists. About the only thing missing is powerplay production, which won't happen on PP2.

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think that it shows that Huberdeau is quite a bit better than the Calgary guys.

Do you have an example of another center who Huberdeau alone made look like a star?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sorry that anything but pom poms is denial... Bennett got hurt after 3 games last playoffs didn't he? He still played but was certainly hurtin'

I don’t understand what you’re going for here. Lots of players get dinged up, so what? It’s normal in the playoffs

It’s just that you have some people here that thought the guy just may do better given some of the chances he got here, and *gasp* he is

It’s not pom poms, it’s just like science. You propose a hypothesis and observe consistent results

Then you have a lot of people explaining why the direct observations of him finding success is not reflective of him, it’s because of Huberdeau, or lucky, or unsustainable or can’t possibly last because of ‘the style he has to play’. It’s because they bought into a different narrative during his time here

The organization failed to some extent in one way or another

It is denial, it seems to be uncomfortable for people to realize they are wrong, so they will continue to try to find reasons to tell themselves why they weren’t wrong

Nobody’s saying he has taken a step to being a 1.4 point per game player moving forward, that’s silly.

But there’s a big huge plain of reality in between Pom poms and denial

[dino7c]

It's impossible to be in denial about something that hasn't happened yet. Besides you are lumping me in with other posters...I never said he couldn't or wouldn't be a really good player just that IMO his style is a tough way to play and that COULD hold him back.

Let's see how they do against Tampa and then next season. Still an awful lot to be determined.

James Neal was the NHLs leading goal scorer after 10 games.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Then you have a lot of people explaining why the direct observations of him finding success is ... lucky, or unsustainable

For the record, no one is dense enough to think Bennett hasn't experienced a ton of puck luck and unsustainable percentages in his favour.

But the flip side of that is this:

Bennett's on-ice shooting percentages and on-ice save percentages as a Flame were so bafflingly low, they were virtually unsustainable on the other side. That they kept being sustained caused someone like Bingo to conclude that Bennett is what he is, but in reality, we know for a fact that most players (other than the Crosby tier generationals) don't drive on-ice shooting percentages. A few of the Stamkos ilk can drive their own individual shooting percentages, which pull the on-ice percentages up, but typically, shooting percentages and save percentages are not controllable.

This was, in many ways, the reason why Elias Lindholm's success as a Flame was considered "a guy about to pop". His on-ice shooting and save percentages in Carolina were bafflingly low much like Sam Bennett, and saw themselves get to a level expected of a top six forwards here, where he was regularly on the ice with guys like Johnny Hockey.

So yes, Bennett's on-ice shooting percentages SHOULD regress down to something sustainable as a Panther. But they probably will NOT regress to the unsustainably low percentages they were in Calgary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Might buy a Panthers Bennett jersey and wear it to the Dome every game until Tre is fired.

How edgy

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Might buy a Panthers Bennett jersey and wear it to the Dome every game until Tre is fired.

Originally Posted by dino7c

How edgy

Meh, I think it'd be funny. Although I imagine some fans would get their noses out of joint over it and it may become an adventure going to games after awhile.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Meh, I think it'd be funny. Although I imagine some fans would get their noses out of joint over it and it may become an adventure going to games after awhile.

Yeah, I see no issue with it

I don’t find people, in person, to be d-bags enough to actually create an adventure up here if someone shows up like that

I’ve seen this ‘edgy’ insult popping up a lot lately. It may become itself with just enough use

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Meh, I think it'd be funny. Although I imagine some fans would get their noses out of joint over it and it may become an adventure going to games after awhile.

I don’t see a single person caring. Bennett was a fan favorite player here if someone follows him to Florida I don’t think anyone would get their noses out of joint over it.

As Flames fans we can’t even be pissed by the trade request. A former top 4 pick who has shown flashes but mostly is on the 3rd or 4th line wants a change of scenery. He was here for 6 years it didn’t work I don’t blame him for wanting to move on. I am still a fan

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t see a single person caring. Bennett was a fan favorite player here if someone follows him to Florida I don’t think anyone would get their noses out of joint over it.

As Flames fans we can’t even be pissed by the trade request. A former top 4 pick who has shown flashes but mostly is on the 3rd or 4th line wants a change of scenery. He was here for 6 years it didn’t work I don’t blame him for wanting to move on. I am still a fan

I can’t recall other people doing it though I’m sure it’s happened (probably with Iggy or Theo). So that likely means it’s no big deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Also could have lost him for nothing in the expansion draft. As much as people here now say he is a slam dunk 2nd line center and the Flames are dumb no GM was offering more than a couple seconds obviously and even then it took until the deadline.

Flames will lose someone in the expansion draft. Trading anyone they might lose is not a good enough reason to simply lose assets. Although I agree that the drop off from, say, Bennett, to the next guy is likely quite a bit.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Might buy a Panthers Bennett jersey and wear it to the Dome every game until Tre is fired.

This is the right amount of passive aggression. I like it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Flames will lose someone in the expansion draft. Trading anyone they might lose is not a good enough reason to simply lose assets. Although I agree that the drop off from, say, Bennett, to the next guy is likely quite a bit.

I can’t see how they wouldn’t have exposed Bennett, barring him miraculously producing the same way as he is now. And I can’t see Seattle not taking him in that case. So he still would be gone, except for nothing. I think it’s a factor that went into the decision.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

For the record, no one is dense enough to think Bennett hasn't experienced a ton of puck luck and unsustainable percentages in his favour.

But the flip side of that is this:

Bennett's on-ice shooting percentages and on-ice save percentages as a Flame were so bafflingly low, they were virtually unsustainable on the other side. That they kept being sustained caused someone like Bingo to conclude that Bennett is what he is, but in reality, we know for a fact that most players (other than the Crosby tier generationals) don't drive on-ice shooting percentages. A few of the Stamkos ilk can drive their own individual shooting percentages, which pull the on-ice percentages up, but typically, shooting percentages and save percentages are not controllable.

This was, in many ways, the reason why Elias Lindholm's success as a Flame was considered "a guy about to pop". His on-ice shooting and save percentages in Carolina were bafflingly low much like Sam Bennett, and saw themselves get to a level expected of a top six forwards here, where he was regularly on the ice with guys like Johnny Hockey.

So yes, Bennett's on-ice shooting percentages SHOULD regress down to something sustainable as a Panther. But they probably will NOT regress to the unsustainably low percentages they were in Calgary.

I've seen this said before but I just don't think I'll ever buy it. Sniping is a skill, not random. Or are you saying team shooting percentage when he is on the ice? Agree there's more luck there but not entirely IMO.

But I agree there were reasons to believe Bennett had upside.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t see how they wouldn’t have exposed Bennett, barring him miraculously producing the same way as he is now. And I can’t see Seattle not taking him in that case. So he still would be gone, except for nothing. I think it’s a factor that went into the decision.

As was his qualification. Bennett's performance in Calgary was not worth the qualifying offer they would have to extend. They got a more than adequate return for him and should be happy in that they turned nothing into something.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Nm; duplicate

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by New Era

As was his qualification. Bennett's performance in Calgary was not worth the qualifying offer they would have to extend. They got a more than adequate return for him and should be happy in that they turned nothing into something.

If that’s the silver lining, let’s not ignore that they should be pissed that they first squandered a 4th overall pick in to that “nothing”

Geez, can you imagine the reaction if Tre got a 4th overall this year, cut out the middleman, Bettman steps to the podium

“I have a trade to announce. Calgary trades the 4th overall for 2 2026 seconds”

[InternationalVillager]

I'm super excited for Bennett in Florida and hope he kills it. The Flames mismanaged his career in Calgary. As a result, management needs to be held accountable.

As for what Bennett killing it in Florida actually means? It means (atleast to me) that the Flames don't have a Huberdeau or Barkov or anyone close to their calibre. Makes me feel real sad.