Brad Treliving needs to go

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There are rumors about several NHL teams almost every day.
Do you think those are bad looks for those GMs too?
How is it decided when it's a bad look and when it isn't?
Again there are daily rumors.

Rumours are everywhere but claims of failed trades as known are another level

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Will Nault is calling a Treliving firing this offseason (opinion no insider info)

He needs to have been gone yesterday. Let another GM actually settle in and evaluate what he has so that he can make informed decisions in the off-season while building a relationship with his staff and potentially other GM's in the league in the meantime.

Treliving's grand vision has failed spectacularly. The writing was on the wall when Sutter was hired. They should have sent Ward and Treliving packing together.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think if Konecny had been available for Johnny last offseason that deal would have been done.

Would have given the Flames a decent player with much more term.

I believe the Buffalo deal was Monny for Risto, with the Flames getting a decent prospect as well. I’m guessing the Flames wanted Cozens. I think that’s likely where that trade went off the rails.


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That’s why I wanted the deal. It was really only a proposal on this board. I have no clue whether it was ever a discussion.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Usually your hot takes don't get me but that one is too far hahaha

2014-15 Russell 72 games 23:56 /gm 32 pts +18 283 blocked shot #1 in league Josi was #2 with 209


Which of the current crew of backward skaters are playing at the Kris Russell 2014-15 level?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

2014-15 Russell 72 games 23:56 /gm 32 pts +18 283 blocked shot #1 in league Josi was #2 with 209


Which of the current crew of backward skaters are playing at the Kris Russell 2014-15 level?

Can you provide the possession metrics from Kris Russell from that same year?

[dino7c]

lol blocked shots is the worst stat...means you are always under fire in your own zone

[Wood]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can you provide the possession metrics from Kris Russell from that same year?

Also I'd like to know the turnover #s, I couldn't find it myself

I feel like almost all of Russells blocked shots came from him having to fix his own mistakes

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I bet CP would have erupted if it Johnny, Monny and Gio were traded at that time.


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after the SC run the Flames dumped Gelinas, Conroy, Clark, Commodore, Gauthier, Lydman, Oliwa, Nieminen CP survived

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

after the SC run the Flames dumped Gelinas, Conroy, Clark, Commodore, Gauthier, Lydman, Oliwa, Nieminen CP survived

There was this strange 1 year gap where no hockey happened and a brand new salary cap was implemented but ya basically the same as any normal offseason #ricardologic

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can you provide the possession metrics from Kris Russell from that same year?

Who cares. Kris Russell is a deeply limited NHL D with obvious flaws. The same goes for Dennis Wideman.

Both of them showed up and showed out in 2014-15. We don’t make the second round without these two guys eating 26 minutes a night.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can you provide the possession metrics from Kris Russell from that same year?

8 defenseman played 200 or more minutes.

Only Smid and Engelland worse in CF%
Only Wideman worse in CA60
Distant 5th in xGF%
6th for dmen in xGA60
6th in HDCA60

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Wood

Also I'd like to know the turnover #s, I couldn't find it myself

I feel like almost all of Russells blocked shots came from him having to fix his own mistakes

Russell had 66 giveaways that year, compared to 92 for Wideman and 88 for Brodie.

In the playoffs, he had 10 giveaways to Brodie’s 19 and Wideman’s 14.

So you feel incorrectly.

Kris Russell blocked a lot of shots because a lot of people ####ed up a lot, but on nearly 300 occasions, those #### ups didn’t make it to the net.

We would not have made the playoffs if Ramo/Hiller had to face an extra 300 shots.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Players who control the puck a lot typically have higher turnovers. Russell having low turnovers and high blocks just tells me he never had the puck on his stick. Which fits the eye test.

[GreenLantern2814]

Back to Brad.

No pick in the last three drafts has played a game for us.

The 2017 draft is also a disaster - Valimaki and his 65 GP are all we have to show for it 4 years later.

The entire front office needs to go. There should literally be nobody employed in a coaching, scouting or managerial role after game 56 except Darryl.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Back to Brad.

No pick in the last three drafts has played a game for us.

The 2017 draft is also a disaster - Valimaki and his 65 GP are all we have to show for it 4 years later.

The entire front office needs to go. There should literally be nobody employed in a coaching, scouting or managerial role after game 56 except Darryl.

I see this happening next month. New GM comes in prepares for the draft and gutting the core and creating a brand new culture.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Back to Brad.

No pick in the last three drafts has played a game for us.

The 2017 draft is also a disaster - Valimaki and his 65 GP are all we have to show for it 4 years later.

The entire front office needs to go. There should literally be nobody employed in a coaching, scouting or managerial role after game 56 except Darryl.

This is a poor analysis
In the 2018 draft, the Flames drafted Martin Pospisil at 105. There are only 5 players that have played a single NHL game after him. One that played 3. One that played 1. The other 3 have played around 37-45 games.

In the 2019 draft, the the Flames drafted Jakob Pelletier at #26.
There have been 6 players drafted after him that have played a single NHL game. The most 39 from Hoglander (great pick). Everyone else is under 10 games played.

In the 2020 draft, the Flames drafted Connor Zary at #24. Not a single player after him has played a single NHL game


As for the 2017 draft I'm not writing Valimaki off yet. Expectations were too high but coming off an injury he still has plenty of runway. Adam Ruzicka is the next highest pick at #109 and is developing nicely.

The problem with the Flames hasn't been the quality of who they are picking but rather the lack of picks.



The fact that "no player has played a single NHL game" in the last 3 years is a sign of nothing. It's simply far too early to judge.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Back to Brad.

No pick in the last three drafts has played a game for us.

The 2017 draft is also a disaster - Valimaki and his 65 GP are all we have to show for it 4 years later.

The entire front office needs to go. There should literally be nobody employed in a coaching, scouting or managerial role after game 56 except Darryl.

And the 2018 one, Flames didn't have their first pick until the FOURTH round. That was the draft where the Flames 1st & 2nd pick was given to the Islanders for Hamonic (barf).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Russell had 66 giveaways that year, compared to 92 for Wideman and 88 for Brodie.

In the playoffs, he had 10 giveaways to Brodie’s 19 and Wideman’s 14.

So you feel incorrectly.

Kris Russell blocked a lot of shots because a lot of people ####ed up a lot, but on nearly 300 occasions, those #### ups didn’t make it to the net.

We would not have made the playoffs if Ramo/Hiller had to face an extra 300 shots.

Depends what a giveaway is. Is it when Russell fired the puck around the boards , creating a scrum at the blue line and the puck stayed in the zone? I doubt it.

[DeluxeMoustache]

I find it funny that people are talking about Corsi and blocked shots from the year Hartley had the team playing that rope a dope style.

Give up the outside, allow a high number of shots while protecting the net front, and then having a quick transition, lots of goals off the rush

Meantime Sutter will take that outside all day long

Could you imagine this team under Sutter vs Hartley’s team? Both teams would be able to execute their game plans.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dino7c

lol blocked shots is the worst stat...means you are always under fire in your own zone

so Gio and Tanev the Flames 2 best D-men are in the top 10 in the league in blocked shots. That is the Flames problem!! The most obvious stat about 4x4 Tanev is his shot blocking

Piertrangelo Josi Seth Jones, Provorov, Adam Fox and Carlson block more than their fair share of shots as they stumble around chasing the game