[PGT] Flames lose 4-2 to Ottawa

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sens are over .500 if you take out the first month

Anyone who takes them lightly deserves what they get. Most of their early struggles were mostly on goal tending too which seems to have improved.

That first month where they didn’t play the Calgary Falmes?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Could we pry away one of Ottawa’s young guys (Batherson) for M Tkachuk? You have to think it would be appealing to the Sens to have both brothers.

If their GM wasn’t watching any games this year

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

If their GM wasn’t watching any games this year

We need a team to hire Brad Treliving as their GM. We then need to make trades with that team (whoever hires Brad). Sadly, despite his unbelievable track record in Calgary, I fear once the charity ends in Calgary, Brad may never get a GM job in the NHL again.

[Tsawwassen]

Post game links
https://scores.nbcsports.com/nhl/rec...=14&final=true
http://sportsstats.cbc.ca/hockey/nhl...cap134294.html

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh. Lucic has been a more dangerous winger than Gaudreau. I’ve already said Monahan’s line is not producing. But IMO he’s playing a whole lot more effectively than Gaudreau given what he’s got. I know you’re enamoured with your “score off the rush” notion, but you actually have to score off the rush then. They got a fluke goal that Murray didn’t cover. Monahan is playing with a 2nd round sophomore and a 3rd year 6th round guy guy and looking not bad doing it. Plus they are miles better in their own zone. Gaudreau is playing with two high first rounders. They’d damned well better be scoring more.

Johnny had more giveaways (5) than ALL the Sens forwards , combined. Couple that with zero shots on goal and that’s a huge problem.

Yes, he made a nice pass on Lindholm’s goal. That’s NOT enough.

Tkachuk had similar giveaway problems also, but had some scoring chances.

I firmly believe that Sutter, in his post game conference is pointing out these 2 key players as being a huge reason for the loss, along with some D blunders.

[Scooter]

Originally Posted by NewFan

If this team wants to become the cup contender they need full rebuild starting right now.

Rebuild will need to be done by the draft as Calgary ranks right up their with Columbus and Phoenix as the least desirable choice of teams for UFA players.

[BagoPucks]

I love the Sutter hiring but the fact that he was hired means we won't get a top 3 or 5 pick because they want to compete, win and finish the job.

Love Sutter but the flames aren't building anything special. Its going to be the same garbage.

[dissentowner]

You have to change the mentality of this group and to really do that you need to change out the players who have been here long term through all of this crap. In the offseason you have to trade Gio, Gaudreau, Monahan, and Backlund. Those 4 guys need to go to really change this team. I think Tkachuk is over frustrated and is still a guy you want to go to war with. That being said we need to know if he wants to stay long term. If he doesn't he should go too this offseason. Also, hopefully Sutter gets to bring in his own asssistant coaches and we get rid of the garbage ones we have now.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Meh. Lucic has been a more dangerous winger than Gaudreau. I’ve already said Monahan’s line is not producing. But IMO he’s playing a whole lot more effectively than Gaudreau given what he’s got. I know you’re enamoured with your “score off the rush” notion, but you actually have to score off the rush then. They got a fluke goal that Murray didn’t cover. Monahan is playing with a 2nd round sophomore and a 3rd year 6th round guy guy and looking not bad doing it. Plus they are miles better in their own zone. Gaudreau is playing with two high first rounders. They’d damned well better be scoring more.

Monahan, the supposed number 1 center on this team with a $6.3AAV, former 30 goal scorer turned defensive stalwart (not quite) with a grand total of 4 EV goals all year, is looking not bad as a complete afterthought on the teams quasi second line?

This team is a complete joke because of him. He's certainly not alone, but he most definitely embodies everything that has been wrong with this team for 3/4 seasons. No motor, no intensity and a very narrow skill set.

You could scratch Monahan the rest of the way and you can almost guarantee you'd hardly even notice he was gone. How many other "top centers" in the NHL would accomplish this feat? If that's what we as a fanbase and franchise need to tolerate we are in for an even worse run than we've already had over the last 16 years.

[8sPOT]

To me the real positive this year is the fact we will see a different team next year. I believe the core shakeup is inevitable and will happen this off season. Who goes and what comes back is the real question.

At this point, change for the sake of change is fine by me. Can't possibly do any worse. Our record against the Sens alone should be enough to show this core doesn't work.

As much as it sucks, its good that we suck so much. So we dont keep trying to win with the same damn core players.

This was about an easy a chance as I can recall to make the playoffs for the Flames, and they're blowing it in spectacular fashion.

[CroFlames]

Guys I am not happy with the current state of my favorite hockey club.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Monahan, the supposed number 1 center on this team with a $6.3AAV, former 30 goal scorer turned defensive stalwart (not quite) with a grand total of 4 EV goals all year, is looking not bad as a complete afterthought on the teams quasi second line?

This team is a complete joke because of him. He's certainly not alone, but he most definitely embodies everything that has been wrong with this team for 3/4 seasons. No motor, no intensity and a very narrow skill set.

You could scratch Monahan the rest of the way and you can almost guarantee you'd hardly even notice he was gone. How many other "top centers" in the NHL would accomplish this feat? If that's what we as a fanbase and franchise need to tolerate we are in for an even worse run than we've already had over the last 16 years.

Yeah, he's looking OK on that line. Next question.

The fact he has been the de facto top centre on the Flames is not about him. It's about the team, its draft positions, Bennett's failure, etc. Monahan is what he is - a fairly decent player, who's outscored his draft class (yes with help). But I'll say this - he sure seems more coachable than Gaudreau or Tkachuk, who are supposedly the more talented players.

Go talk to Sutter about scratching Monahan and it not making a difference. You might not get the answer you like.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Meh, normally if you talk about a player in a game focused thread it is somewhat related to the game

If Kerouac style stream of consciousness is your bag, it makes a lot of sense

Carry on

A literary reference! On CP!!

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Looking at Tkachuk’s body of work this season, is it crazy to think we’re better off just letting him walk for free to avoid paying him $9 M/season next year?
His failed rush with the net empty tonight really summed up what I see; mainly that he wants to be a leader and put the team on his shoulders but in the end is kind of a weak link who coughs up the puck, does a half hearted attempt to atone the loss, and watches the backbreaking goal from his stomach as if he just gave 110% with nothing left to give. I don’t know, he was supposed to be a key piece in the core...just disappointing.

MT is still acting like a spoiled child.

Put your mouthguard in.
Stop the showboating.
Play tough, pesky hockey as we know you can.
Focus.
Protect the puck.

NOW you can collect your $7-9M.

But he has it backwards. Act the big guy, chew your guard like an idiot while you're rushing down the ice and give away the puck. A lot.

His daddy should spank him. And his brother is giving him a good lesson in playing like a mature adult.

[dammage79]

The faster the Flames fall out of the race the better. They really need to pull the chute on this pig.

Sad thing is, they aren't going to stop until the numbers say they can't make it. Hopefully 2 more games.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, he's looking OK on that line. Next question.

The fact he has been the de facto top centre on the Flames is not about him. It's about the team, its draft positions, Bennett's failure, etc. Monahan is what he is - a fairly decent player, who's outscored his draft class (yes with help). But I'll say this - he sure seems more coachable than Gaudreau or Tkachuk, who are supposedly the more talented players.

Go talk to Sutter about scratching Monahan and it not making a difference. You might not get the answer you like.

We saw the two games where Monahan didnt play this year when he was hurt. If I remember correctly we dominated those games and looked like Stanley Cup contenders....

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Yeah, he's looking OK on that line. Next question.

The fact he has been the de facto top centre on the Flames is not about him. It's about the team, its draft positions, Bennett's failure, etc. Monahan is what he is - a fairly decent player, who's outscored his draft class (yes with help). But I'll say this - he sure seems more coachable than Gaudreau or Tkachuk, who are supposedly the more talented players.

Go talk to Sutter about scratching Monahan and it not making a difference. You might not get the answer you like.

Ok is now good enough for an apparent finisher on a doormat team that isn't finishing? You don't think some of these games this year would be different if Sean decided to step it up, even a little and find a way to score (which is the reason he's paid as much as he is)? At least the new quasi top line can ask its center to handle the puck and make a few creative plays.

If we're now meant to buy the notion that Monahan is supposed to be coached into a mediocre defensive player, then I'll say it again. This franchise is doomed for a very long time.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

That first month where they didn’t play the Calgary Falmes?

They have won 5 of 8 vs the Habs too and beat them 4-0 on Saturday. The main difference is their goaltending has improved.

[Macman]

This was one of the worst games to watch in a while. Just not a very good team or something's off.
18 GVAs and 0/4 on the PP, that's bad in a close game especially with all those 6M+ players. Anyone of those guys should be able to break open and win a close game like this for you.
I haven't been impressed with Markstorm, 3 goals in 20 shots, that's just not good enough but it's a reflection of how poorly the whole team is playing.
Get some high salaried guys in here that can win you some games cause the ones we have are not that good.

[CaptainCrunch]

Couldn't really be bothered to watch last nights game. With the way the Flames have played Ottawa this year, I expected a loss, and decided to not bother and do something else.


With 11 games left, the bullet has already been put in the Flames brain pan, I doubt I'll spend much time watching games.



Fan apathy is going to be a big problem next year.