The Legend of Sam Bennett

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Where would Heineman fit on our prospect rankings?

Here is the Flames top-20 as decided by CP:

1. Valimaki
2. Zary
3. Pelletier
4. Wolf
5. Mackey
6. Pettersen
7. Phillips
8. Gawdin
9. Zavgorodniy
10. Poirier
11. Kuznetsov
12. Kinnvall
13. Ruzicka
14. Chechelev
15. Parsons
16. Yelesin
17. Nikolayev
18. Francis
19. Boltmann
20. Poolman

I would guess that as of today Heineman probably ranks in the #10–15 range. Some of the guys on this list have probably already shifted a fair bit: Gawdin will probably rank lower this year, and Ruzicka, Kuznetsov and Francis will place higher.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

My oldest son looks like Sean Monahan.

I’m betting a lot of sons looked like Bruce Boudreau. But only right when they were born.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

My son is also named Bennett.

Based on your reporting on the Heat this year, it wouldn't be a shocker if you called your next son Phillip.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Where would Heineman fit on our prospect rankings?

Someone maybe Dobber placed him as 10th I think, was 16th in Florida

[Geeoff]

I wish I could grow a moustache like Sam

[TheScorpion]

This doesn't look weird at all...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1382020197570260995

[FanIn80]

Wearing one of our retired numbers, hey?

[GioforPM]

First Lanny’s moustache. Now Lanny’s number.

That is a goal scorer’s number so let’s see what he does with it.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Where would Heineman fit on our prospect rankings?

Top 5. Fight me.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’m betting a lot of sons looked like Bruce Boudreau. But only right when they were born.

I always thought it was funny that so many babies look like Winston Churchill

But for a hockey forum, Boudreau is a good pick

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by theslymonkey

Big difference if the Flames go Demko and Montour/Dvorak with those picks instead of McDonald/Smith.

Getting a better player than Smith would’ve been nice, but Demko has been a starter for 3 months. I don’t think he was changing our fortunes before this year anyway.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by The Professor

Where would Heineman fit on our prospect rankings?

I did a detailed ranking last week here: https://theheatbeat.substack.com/p/t...spect-rankings

Here are my complete rankings, plus where I would slot in Heineman and Walker Duehr.

Mattson
Karnaukhov
Rafikov
Kirkland
*Duehr
Sveningsson
Feuk
Koumontzis
Yelesin
Tuulola
Boltmann
Zagidulin
Parsons
Gawdin
---
20. Solovyov
19. Chechelev
18. Lerby
17. Nikolayev
16. Kerins
15. Philp
14. Nodler
13. Kuznetsov
12. Zavgorodniy
*Heineman
11. Pospisil
10. Ruzicka
9. Poirier
8. Francis
7. Pettersen
6. Kinnvall
5. Mackey
4. Phillips
3. Pelletier
2. Wolf
1. Zary

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, no. That is just not true. Mason McDonald was the highest ranked goalie by Red Line heading into the 2014 Draft. I suspect a big part of the reason for that were the concerns about Demko's hips:

NHLCS had McDonald #2 behind Demko.


Here is the entire reaction to the McDonald pick as it played out in real time:

[Spoiler-tags for size —I skipped about a dozen posts in the thread that were responses to previous posts, but this represents a fair cross section of the reaction here to McDonald v. Demko]


So, no. No one was "screaming about not taking Demko there." I think most of the frustration about the McDonald pick stemmed from the fact that the Flames picked a goalie—ANY goalie—in the top-fifth of the second round. There was a lot of concern about the depth of the prospect pool on the blue line, and most posters were hoping the Flames would have picked a defensman like Andreas Englund, Julius Bergman, Roland McKeown or Jack Dougherty. A number of posters correctly identified Demko as a better prospect, but this was not an off-the-board draft shock like you imagine it to have occurred.

My point is this: most of us think we remember what happened in NHL entry drafts from nearly a decade ago with crystal clarity. But I think the lesson here is that our memories are very much deeply coloured by what has happened in the years since the draft. Like I said above: people remember a freak-out about Demko or Dvorak or Point that simply did not happen. People remember this because all of our memories are incredibly flawed, and easily susceptible to more current events.

I am not disagreeing with your larger point about looking back but I found this quote:

In something of a mild surprise, the Flames took the no. 2-ranked goalie, Mason McDonald of the QMJHL’s Charlottetown Islanders, with the 34th overall pick, passing up no. 1-ranked Thatcher Demko.

“Lot of debate on it with the guys for the last few weeks,” said Treliving. “Ultimately our goalie list had Mason at the top. Our guys liked this guy, he was there, we made the pick.”

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-...-day-of-draft/


Treliving's quote, to me, sounds like he was just defending his scouts on this pick (but I think since he got to CGY only a month prior to draft it hints at him not agreeing - ultimately McDonald tops list).

Could be just me but I recall the post draft radio interview with Treliving and him saying exactly the same thing but it didn't sound like he was sold on that decision. Despite your objection I truly recollect this - now it was my interpretation of his comments and I'm probably wrong because I'm guessing what he really meant.

Again, not trying to throw rocks in hindsight, but who would (over)rule on goalie selections?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Top 5. Fight me.

That list definitely needs to be revamped with the arrival of Sutter and the three year contract. That move has to be death for Phillips, Pettersen, Francis, and Zavgorodniy, then a huge lift for Ruzicka, Pospisil, Kuznetsov, and Solovyov. I'd put Heineman in the #6 slot on the list and then elevate Ruzicka, Kuznetsov, and add Solovyov to the ranks, probably dropping Francis from the top 20.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Top 5. Fight me.

Eh, not much competition.

[Caged Great]

I'd put him behind only Zary, Pelletier, Wolf, and Mackey.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Top 5. Fight me.

Only guys clearly over him are Zary and Peletier

It’s a joke that Poireir and Francis jumped him in a few months

And no, the midget goalie is not a better prospect

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I tried to dig up the 2011 Draft to see reactions to Kucherov and Gaudreau, but I am having difficulty finding that one.

This one?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...ght=2011+draft

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This one?

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...ght=2011+draft

Interesting, I had no idea Scheifele was a reach

[Strange Brew]

So we're saying Florida's 16th ranked prospect is our 5th best? That's embarrassing and if so, hopefully only because whoever ranked their prospects knew nothing about him.