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BMStrikesAgain · 04-09-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wired

In my opinion, The Flames should have traded Iggy before they signed him to his last contract.

in MY opinion the flames shouldve built a team around one of the best players of his generation, someone who is behind only FIFTEEN (15!) other players in all times goals scored

in my opinion of course

chedder · 04-09-2021, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

There was a guy from Calgary drafted something like 70th and he's pretty good.

So the team should just keep buying lottery tickets? Hope and a prayer is not sound team building. And who is this player? Johnny was 104th.

Textcritic · 04-09-2021, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by chedder

So the team should just keep buying lottery tickets? Hope and a prayer is not sound team building. And who is this player? Johnny was 104th.

Brayden Point was drafted #79.

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1qqaaz · 04-09-2021, 10:13 PM

Claude Giroux (22nd) was drafted in a similar spot to Connor Zary (24th).
In Giroux's draft year, he had 103 points in 69 games.
Brayden Point (79th) had 91 points in 72 games.
Brad Richards (64th) 115 points in 68 games.

Most would agree that all three of these guys were big steals.
Yet that all of them had outstanding production in their draft year. It's odd how they all fell despite having good point totals. And it's not like any of them were that small.

Sometimes you just have to not overthink it and go with the guy who has gaudy numbers.

As for Zary, we can hope for the best. He could end up being great. But I think it's unfair to expect him to become an elite #1 center. Rather, hopefully he pleasantly surprises us.

dino7c · 04-09-2021, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Claude Giroux (22nd) was drafted in a similar spot to Connor Zary (24th).
In Giroux's draft year, he had 103 points in 69 games.
Brayden Point (79th) had 91 points in 72 games.
Brad Richards (64th) 115 points in 68 games.

Most would agree that all three of these guys were big steals.
Yet that all of them had outstanding production in their draft year. It's odd how they all fell despite having good point totals. And it's not like any of them were that small.

Sometimes you just have to not overthink it and go with the guy who has gaudy numbers.

As for Zary, we can hope for the best. He could end up being great. But I think it's unfair to expect him to become an elite #1 center. Rather, hopefully he pleasantly surprises us.

Zary did have 86 points in 57 games in the WHL and looked really good in his short stint in the AHL. I don't know about elite #1 but I think some people are selling him short already for some reason. A couple centers in the upcoming draft look pretty enticing too IMO. Possible 1-2 punch long term.

FlamesAddiction · 04-09-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Zary did have 86 points in 57 games in the WHL and looked really good in his short stint in the AHL. I don't know about elite #1 but I think some people are selling him short already for some reason. A couple centers in the upcoming draft look pretty enticing too IMO. Possible 1-2 punch long term.

I think it's because he didn't light up the World Juniors. I don't know how much that tournament really predicts anything and he made the team. But on a small level is was disappointing that it wasn't the best show case.

chedder · 04-09-2021, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

Zary did have 86 points in 57 games in the WHL and looked really good in his short stint in the AHL. I don't know about elite #1 but I think some people are selling him short already for some reason. A couple centers in the upcoming draft look pretty enticing too IMO. Possible 1-2 punch long term.

I'm not selling him short. Just trying to temper expectations. It would be incredible if he ended up being a number 1 center, it's just not likely.

We have 4th and 6th overall pick centers that everyone wants run out of town. And a 5th overall that doesn't look like he'll be our saviour either.

I'm having trouble not being glass half empty guy with this team these days.

dino7c · 04-09-2021, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chedder

I'm not selling him short. Just trying to temper expectations. It would be incredible if he ended up being a number 1 center, it's just not likely.

We have 4th and 6th overall pick centers that everyone wants run out of town. And a 5th overall that doesn't look like he'll be our saviour either.

I'm having trouble not being glass half empty guy with this team these days.

Yeah I didn't mean you I just mean in general...kid is going to be a good NHLer IMO just how good is yet to be determined.

Monahan has scored at an elite pace until whatever happened to him and we would be thrilled if Zary turned out anywhere near as good as Lindholm. Bennett well, he has a nice moustache.

Sandman · 04-10-2021, 02:49 AM

I love Zary, but I think he'll be a great #2C, with an outside chance of being a #1. His offense is hard to ignore though-he was 5th in the WHL in his draft year.

I hope we lose enough games to grab either Beniers, or Johnson as potential top-2 centers. Both have put up impressive numbers in college for draft-elligible players, and I think some are underrating their offense.

Poe969 · 04-10-2021, 06:59 AM

I'm starting to wonder if the Flames will actually gave up assets to trade for Hall just so they could sign him to a long term deal. It would be dumb but it would also give a really got shot at getting Bedard

Flamesfan2010 · 04-10-2021, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BMStrikesAgain

in MY opinion the flames shouldve built a team around one of the best players of his generation, someone who is behind only FIFTEEN (15!) other players in all times goals scored

in my opinion of course

And that’s with a full season and half season lockout in the prime of his career

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Vinny01 · 04-10-2021, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm starting to wonder if the Flames will actually gave up assets to trade for Hall just so they could sign him to a long term deal. It would be dumb but it would also give a really got shot at getting Bedard

I don’t see it at the deadline but I could see the Flames being a team that looks into him if he does get to free agency.

If Gaudreau gets flipped for a pick/prospect package I could see the Flames turning to Hall to continue to compete. It was the move I was convinced they were going to do last offseason so maybe I am out to lunch?

Aarongavey · 04-10-2021, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Certainly not Johnny or Anderson’s contract.

Monny is a different story. He’s just a shadow of his former self.

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Anderson has the 64th highest cap hit amongst defenceman in the league. That means he should be a top 2 dman on any team. The NHL is likely to have a fairly flat cap for most of the duration of his contract, which means from a cap efficiency perspective he should be a top 2 dman for most of his contract. He is currently probably somewhere around the 100-120th best dman in the league

I suspect he has a similar market to that of Nikita Zaitsev when the Leafs moved him to Ottawa with Connor Brown for cap flexibility and not much else. Rasmus may have slightly higher value because he is a right shot dman, but nobody is giving up anything of value for that contract and the player he currently looks like he is and will project to be.

Tkachukwagon · 04-10-2021, 09:52 AM

More smoke around Nolan Patrick:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/nhl-trad...s-latest-news/

The article contains an assessment of Patrick in a thread from Bill Meltzer that is not exactly glowing:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380544438842359821

showtime · 04-10-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Anderson has the 64th highest cap hit amongst defenceman in the league. That means he should be a top 2 dman on any team. The NHL is likely to have a fairly flat cap for most of the duration of his contract, which means from a cap efficiency perspective he should be a top 2 dman for most of his contract. He is currently probably somewhere around the 100-120th best dman in the league

I suspect he has a similar market to that of Nikita Zaitsev when the Leafs moved him to Ottawa with Connor Brown for cap flexibility and not much else. Rasmus may have slightly higher value because he is a right shot dman, but nobody is giving up anything of value for that contract and the player he currently looks like he is and will project to be.

That makes Andersson a high end 2nd paring. And I would think he would be second paring on nearly any team I the league.

genetic_phreek · 04-10-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

More smoke around Nolan Patrick:

https://www.phillyvoice.com/nhl-trad...s-latest-news/

The article contains an assessment of Patrick in a thread from Bill Meltzer that is not exactly glowing:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1380544438842359821

Sign me up. We can't get any worse with him in the lineup.

ComixZone · 04-10-2021, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Sign me up. We can't get any worse with him in the lineup.

...and if we do, even better!

Tank!

Poe969 · 04-10-2021, 10:33 AM

There's no way this team trades for different players and tank. They'll keep the same players they have and just do poorly.

Burning Beard · 04-10-2021, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Anderson has the 64th highest cap hit amongst defenceman in the league. That means he should be a top 2 dman on any team. The NHL is likely to have a fairly flat cap for most of the duration of his contract, which means from a cap efficiency perspective he should be a top 2 dman for most of his contract. He is currently probably somewhere around the 100-120th best dman in the league

I suspect he has a similar market to that of Nikita Zaitsev when the Leafs moved him to Ottawa with Connor Brown for cap flexibility and not much else. Rasmus may have slightly higher value because he is a right shot dman, but nobody is giving up anything of value for that contract and the player he currently looks like he is and will project to be.

One down season for a young Dman in a Covid year when the entire team stinks and we are already to this point with Anderson? Icarumba.

Jiri Hrdina · 04-10-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Beard

One down season for a young Dman in a Covid year when the entire team stinks and we are already to this point with Anderson? Icarumba.

Yup. After many years of strong development and progression.
It's one bad season.
No reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.