[Rumour] TSN: Flames likely to be quiet at the trade deadline

[CliffFletcher]

Yeah, every GM knows the last 2-3 years of that 5 x 5 deal given to a 29 year old are going to be bad. But the alternative is to not get the player at all, and hope an AHL call-up can step in and produce like a 600 game NHLer.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, every GM knows the last 2-3 years of that 5 x 5 deal given to a 29 year old are going to be bad. But the alternative is to not get the player at all, and hope an AHL call-up can step in and produce like a 600 game NHLer.

I would say 90% of the time, the alternative is better.
Development is better than cap problems almost every time.
But I think GMs often don't stay long enough to deal with the repercussions of bad contracts and the benefits of proper development.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I would say 90% of the time, the alternative is better.
Development is better than cap problems almost every time.
But I think GMs often don't stay long enough to deal with the repercussions of bad contracts and the benefits of proper development.

I wouldn't say that is true at all.

I think only 25% of 2nd rounders even play 100 NHL games and I think that drops to 15% in the 3rd round and beyond.

Only 25% chance to get a guy that may or may not be even replacement level is terrible odds.

Trying to build a team exclusively through drafting would be an abject failure.

[Poe969]

I wonder if the Flames are just blowing smoke at this point. I know they probably aren't but maybe some teams are interested in players and the Flames are trying to squeeze them for a better return. Florida making all that cap space really makes you think; what do they need/want and who's available. Another C like Monahan would really help that team but at the same time some help in the bottom 6 from guys like Ryan and Bennett would be good too. On D they need help, Gio, Stone, and whoever else would help them with Ekblad out.

Hopefully by Monday, Daryl has said who he thinks should be here and who shouldn't. Start moving players out ASAP and think for the future.

**guessing the Flames actually trade a 3rd round pick Vertanen or something dumb.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I wouldn't say that is true at all.

I think only 25% of 2nd rounders even play 100 NHL games and I think that drops to 15% in the 3rd round and beyond.

Only 25% chance to get a guy that may or may not be even replacement level is terrible odds.

Trying to build a team exclusively through drafting would be an abject failure.

Pretty much all the players in the NHL right now got drafted. There are a few exceptions (Gio, etc) but it's not like undrafted players are the core of most successful teams. Having more draft picks (good ones, and drafting well) is absolutely a key feature of successful teams.

Maybe you can improve that by trading futures for the "now" when your window is open and some good UFA signings at the same time, but if you want core players (#1C, #1D) you mostly have to draft them.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Pretty much all the players in the NHL right now got drafted. There are a few exceptions (Gio, etc) but it's not like undrafted players are the core of most successful teams. Having more draft picks (good ones, and drafting well) is absolutely a key feature of successful teams.

Maybe you can improve that by trading futures for the "now" when your window is open and some good UFA signings at the same time, but if you want core players (#1C, #1D) you mostly have to draft them.

I think he meant drafted by their own team. In other words, build through your own draftees, not via trade/UFA.

Which is only partly true. LA won with Kopitar, Brown, Toffoli, Quick and Doughty but also Carter, Richards, Williams, Muzzin, Stoll, Gaborik, Mitchell and Regehr. TB was very self-made but St. Louis had a lot of acquired players - ROR, Schenn, Bozak, Maroon, Jaybo, Steen, Sundqvist. They drafted Perron but he'd been traded around the league and back.

[Flamesfan05]

Treliving painted himself into a corner


No move can be done except selling picks and sign over the hill FAs

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving painted himself into a corner


No move can be done except selling picks and sign over the hill FAs

solid contribution

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Treliving painted himself into a corner


No move can be done except selling picks and sign over the hill FAs

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beetlejuice

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

solid contribution

No kidding. This is the worst poster to come along in decade.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by New Era

No kidding. This is the worst poster to come along in decade.

That's saying something with guys like me here! Lol

Man oh man I just hope we make 1 decent size move this weekend!

The team needs to come to terms with what they are. I will be so checked if we have the same core next year.

[transplant99]

So The Athletic did a "who says no" piece with their readers the last week or so

Flames content,

Travis Konecny for Johnny Gaudreau

Who says no? Flyers, maybe?

Charlie’s take: This is the kind of trade you make if you’re really serious about a shakeup in Philly. It’s no surprise that lots of fans brought up the Gaudreau possibility — he’s a local guy, he plays a flashy style, and Calgary appears to be open to making big changes to a stagnant club. Plus, it’s easy to imagine Gaudreau wanting to re-sign with Philadelphia (his contract expires in 2022), so the Flyers have an inherent advantage over the rest of the market here. I do suspect that if the Flyers went down this road, they’d want more than just Gaudreau. Konecny is younger with comparable production to Johnny Hockey over the past two seasons, and he’s under contract at a reasonable cap hit for the next four seasons. But I get why people keep bringing up this idea.

Flames reporter Hailey Salvian: I could see this being plausible if the Flames decided to retool the core, which I believe they should. Konecny is 24 and a natural right-shot right winger, which is a big hole in Calgary he could fill. Konecny has scored 24 goals three seasons in a row (2017-18, 2018-19, 2019-20) and has scored at least 45 points three times, with a career-high 61 points in 66 games last year. He hasn’t hit a 99-point season like Gaudreau and probably doesn’t have the same elite skill set in terms of vision and playmaking ability, but he’s a good player and could be a nice fit. This could be a good shakeup trade.

Jakub Voracek, Morgan Frost and a 2021 first-round pick for Johnny Gaudreau

Who says no? Flames

Charlie’s take: I’m skeptical that the Flyers could find a way to move Voracek’s contract and still acquire the best player in the deal, but maybe Calgary is desperate enough to shake things up to give this a go. Losing Frost and a probable lottery pick would hurt, but Voracek is the logical player to move — due to his age, contract and lack of no-trade protection — if one of the offseason goals is to jolt the veteran core. This would certainly do that, while also upgrading the talent level.

Salvian: This is a bit of a tough one. Voracek would certainly fill a hole on the wing and bring some veteran leadership to the room. But he’s also four years older than Gaudreau and has three seasons remaining with an $8.25 million cap hit. The Flames are tight to the cap this season with some flexibility coming, but that’s a lot to take on. Frost only has 22 NHL games under his belt, but the additional first-rounder is a nice bonus. I’m torn on this one. I think that’s good value from the Flyers, especially when the Flames need a shakeup. But the cap hit may prove to be a sticking point.

Travis Konecny and Travis Sanheim for Johnny Gaudreau and Rasmus Andersson

Who says no? Everyone

Charlie’s take: I guess if I squint I can see how this trade makes sense — there’s the “hockey trade” swap of Konecny for Gaudreau, and then Andersson becomes the team’s top right-handed defenseman and maybe even slides in next to Provorov. But the Flyers like Sanheim a lot, as do the Flames with Andersson. This just strikes me as a trade where both sides would rather just stick with the players they developed.

Salvian: Again, I like Konecny’s fit for the Flames but I don’t think they have plans to move Rasmus Andersson. He’s been part of the succession plan for Mark Giordano, playing top pair minutes and on the top PP unit. Sanheim would likely need to be a legitimate upgrade on Andersson for that part to work.

https://theathletic.com/2504520/2021...rce=dailyemail

[CroFlames]

I believe in Rasmus. I'm not trading him yet I think he's just having a bad year.

[Nelson]

The lineup tomorrow night will be illuminating. I’m hoping Ryan and Bennett are scratched. And I’m hoping Rittich is the backup. I would also hope Giordano is scratched, but I doubt that happens.

Those kinda moves could at least tell us the Flames are trying to sell.

Whether they will be successful is another matter altogether...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Nelson

The lineup tomorrow night will be illuminating. I’m hoping Ryan and Bennett are scratched. And I’m hoping Rittich is the backup. I would also hope Giordano is scratched, but I doubt that happens.

Those kinda moves could at least tell us the Flames are trying to sell.

Whether they will be successful is another matter altogether...

Players are generally only scratched when a deal is pending, not when a player is available

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Nelson

The lineup tomorrow night will be illuminating. I’m hoping Ryan and Bennett are scratched. And I’m hoping Rittich is the backup. I would also hope Giordano is scratched, but I doubt that happens.

Those kinda moves could at least tell us the Flames are trying to sell.

Whether they will be successful is another matter altogether...

I think we will all be disappointed to see nobody sitting. I just have no hope the GM will do the right thing and come to terms that he failed to build a good roster

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Players are generally only scratched when a deal is pending, not when a player is available

That use to be the case, but now it seems players on the block are being scratched, like Taylor Hall.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Players are generally only scratched when a deal is pending, not when a player is available

Is that true? Haven't teams been scratching players to protect them from injury so they can be traded all week?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I don't care for the trend of scratching players in that manner, but I guess it makes a bit of sense for a guy that is almost certain to be traded for significant value. I don't think the Flames have anyone in that category.

[Scroopy Noopers]

It didn’t matter if they scratched Hall or not because he’s been mailing it in for months. He has games where he doesn’t register a single stat. Not a shot, not a hit, nothing.