[Rumour] TSN: Flames likely to be quiet at the trade deadline

[442scotty]

I really like watching Ottawa so hopefully follow their lead... fast, hard working, lots of skill... They are what we should have been sadly

[dissentowner]

I predict we do nothing. BT will sit on it for the rest of the season.

[mrdonkey]

I think Rittich will move and that's it. Nobody else on the roster has value in a dead cap environment.

If we get to the draft and the message is still "seems quiet on the Flames front," then it's time to get out the pitchforks.

[ComixZone]

"We've got good players underperforming"

TSN interview

Focus is on "getting the most out of the players we have"

Tree never says anything in interviews, but to me he sounds like a GM who has fallen in love with his own roster - and in this case, it is completely unjustified as his roster has accomplished absolutely nothing during his entire time here.

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

"We've got good players underperforming"

TSN interview

Focus is on "getting the most out of the players we have"

Tree never says anything in interviews, but to me he sounds like a GM who has fallen in love with his own roster - and in this case, it is completely unjustified as his roster has accomplished absolutely nothing during his entire time here.

Well he's not likely to say "our players all suck".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"We've got good players underperforming"

TSN interview

Focus is on "getting the most out of the players we have"

Tree never says anything in interviews, but to me he sounds like a GM who has fallen in love with his own roster - and in this case, it is completely unjustified as his roster has accomplished absolutely nothing during his entire time here.

We do have good players. Every team in the league has good players. But as Darryl Sutter would say, good isn’t good enough.

The problem is that too many of them seem to have reached their potential and the team is nowhere near contending.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"We've got good players underperforming"

TSN interview

Focus is on "getting the most out of the players we have"

Tree never says anything in interviews, but to me he sounds like a GM who has fallen in love with his own roster - and in this case, it is completely unjustified as his roster has accomplished absolutely nothing during his entire time here.

He said everything he had to but he seems like a guy that doesn't have a clue what needs to happen to right this ship. If he looked like he was sitting above a fire during the Sutter introduction I'm guessing he feels like he's in that fire now.

[Sandman]

I'm going to wait until the off-season to see what Tre does. I don't believe we need a complete overhaul of the roster, but a few big pieces of the core at forward and D need to be changed. If he fails in doing this, the wolves can have him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

"We've got good players underperforming"

TSN interview

Focus is on "getting the most out of the players we have"

Tree never says anything in interviews, but to me he sounds like a GM who has fallen in love with his own roster - and in this case, it is completely unjustified as his roster has accomplished absolutely nothing during his entire time here.

He also said we probably would not be getting rental players this year but would be looking at improving the team at the deadline.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I really like watching Ottawa so hopefully follow their lead... fast, hard working, lots of skill... They are what we should have been sadly

Lots of size, as well.

[Calgary4LIfe]

This team for a couple of seasons was a treat to watch. Other fanbases liked the Flames too. We were a 'model of a rebuild' for a while, IMO.


I don't look at any team around the NHL and say that they are going to be a good team. Ottawa is looking like they are going to be, but until they get there, they might be another Edmonton or Buffalo. Heck, just look at Buffalo - tanked hard, got one of the top NHL centres in Eichel, practically generational defencemen in Dahlin (maybe not generational, but franchise-level for sure), some other good pieces... and they keep face-planting.


Flames have some really good pieces right now. I don't think they are far off from a 'successful rebuild'. They, unfortunately, aren't far off from needing a rebuild 2.0 either. This off-season's success will really dictate what direction they go. If they make big changes, I can't imagine trying yet another retool, as I assume they will loose value simply in trading players who have under-performed and who will return less value.


People really forget how electrifying the Flames were for a while, and how good Bennett looked like in his rookie season, and how this team had skill and some grit, and had that 'never say die' attitude that resulted in comeback wins... that team had a lot of people saying: "Rebuilding is easy." Name me one person that kept saying the Flames were not going to be successful back then.


Ottawa is definitely doing things right, but until they get there and become a team that can go on long playoff runs every year, at least getting close to winning a cup, they will be labelled as either 'still rebuilding' or 'failed rebuild', just like the Flames.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They didn’t know what they had in Rantanen and Makar at that point (Rantanen in particular has surpassed all expectations). There was a lot of turmoil and anger in Colorado at that time. Players seemingly didn’t want to play there, MacKinnon wasn’t progressing as hoped, and Sakic was getting roasted by pundits. There was the whole looking forward to partying in Vegas schmozzle. Things turned around over the next year or so, but at the time it was looking as though the rebuild had failed.

Roy quitting on the eve of a season was also a mess (though it lead them to Makar).

The Central has also been a pretty tough division in the back half of the 2010's.

Since the divisions re-aligned to 4 (2013-14), CEN teams filled 10 of the 12 wildcard playoff spots (and I think had most of the teams in 9th-11th). Last year, they all made the play-in while the 3 Cali teams missed.

[Muta]

Tre better be shopping our UFAs, even if it is for 7th rounders. If there’s interest, losing them for nothing would absolutely inexcusable.

[Toonage]

Go listen to any Treliving interview before a deadline or draft. It's all more or less the same. No real info or hints given. Heck today he had another interview with Francis that was published on Sportsnet and there really wasn't much difference

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Go listen to any Treliving interview before a deadline or draft. It's all more or less the same. No real info or hints given. Heck today he had another interview with Francis that was published on Sportsnet and there really wasn't much difference

I do like that about him. Proclamations of bold moves is never a smart strategy. He's gotta be busy on the phones no doubt, and hopefully figuring out who's going this off season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Go listen to any Treliving interview before a deadline or draft. It's all more or less the same. No real info or hints given. Heck today he had another interview with Francis that was published on Sportsnet and there really wasn't much difference

Meh. Maybe a sound strategic decision

Maybe nothing of substance so no accountability

It’s kind of in line with the team’s identity

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Yeah, I don't really care if the Flames get low-balled.
Just ship Rittich, Ryan and Bennett off to the highest bidders.
We'll know Brad tried.

Mike Cammalleri had 45 points in 63 games (I'm not sure what he totals were pre-deadline), and then Burke refused to trade him for an insufficient pick.
He then walked as a UFA and the Flames had nothing to show for it. Don't let that happen again.

Burke was really proud of this, too. It was so weird. "It shows we won't be taken advantage of!!!". Who cares, each available player is a new transaction relative to the market at the time and what a GM is willing to pay.

What nonsense, imo. If you take a trade for a 3rd on one player, and a GM offers a 3rd on a better player because you let that other player go for less than you thought, just say not to the next deal, FFS.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Muta

Tre better be shopping our UFAs, even if it is for 7th rounders. If there’s interest, losing them for nothing would absolutely inexcusable.

As you say, “if there’s interest”. It’s not a real stellar group of UFA’s.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Burke was really proud of this, too. It was so weird. "It shows we won't be taken advantage of!!!". Who cares, each available player is a new transaction relative to the market at the time and what a GM is willing to pay.

What nonsense, imo. If you take a trade for a 3rd on one player, and a GM offers a 3rd on a better player because you let that other player go for less than you thought, just say not to the next deal, FFS.

I kinda get what he was trying to do. At the time the Flames had a string of trades that seemed poor returns. So he was trying to raise that bar.
But for a team so poor from an asset POV if he could have got any pick from Cammy he should have.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This team for a couple of seasons was a treat to watch. Other fanbases liked the Flames too. We were a 'model of a rebuild' for a while, IMO.


I don't look at any team around the NHL and say that they are going to be a good team. Ottawa is looking like they are going to be, but until they get there, they might be another Edmonton or Buffalo. Heck, just look at Buffalo - tanked hard, got one of the top NHL centres in Eichel, practically generational defencemen in Dahlin (maybe not generational, but franchise-level for sure), some other good pieces... and they keep face-planting.


Flames have some really good pieces right now. I don't think they are far off from a 'successful rebuild'. They, unfortunately, aren't far off from needing a rebuild 2.0 either. This off-season's success will really dictate what direction they go. If they make big changes, I can't imagine trying yet another retool, as I assume they will loose value simply in trading players who have under-performed and who will return less value.


People really forget how electrifying the Flames were for a while, and how good Bennett looked like in his rookie season, and how this team had skill and some grit, and had that 'never say die' attitude that resulted in comeback wins... that team had a lot of people saying: "Rebuilding is easy." Name me one person that kept saying the Flames were not going to be successful back then.


Ottawa is definitely doing things right, but until they get there and become a team that can go on long playoff runs every year, at least getting close to winning a cup, they will be labelled as either 'still rebuilding' or 'failed rebuild', just like the Flames.

Flames were good for about 3 months

The rest were mediocre or worse