2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[DeluxeMoustache]

@macho
^ losing Brodie is a double whammy

Brodie was good himself. Very good defensively, very good puck mover

Gio knew he could trust Brodie so he could activate more

Rasmus was definitely overvalue by Tre and Gio has to play a less assertive game offensively

[transplant99]

Since Matthews is leading the league in goals right now by a good margin, Im not sure they are to concerned with getting someone to set him up for them. That Marner guy is pretty good at it.

The last thing the Leafs need is yet another small offensive winger IMO.

G and D is where they will be focused i would think....and maybe some depth up front.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What about this for Gaudreau??

To COL:
Gaudreau

To CGY:
2021 1st
Justin Barron
Val Nichushkin?

Not necessairly at you but to all the Gaudreau detractors (and I get it, the team has not performed to expectation). However some things to consider:

it has been 10(!) years since Gaudreau was drafted in the fourth round 104th overall and IMO he is the ONLY consistent, dynamic point producer on the team. They have not been able to add a dynamic offensive even close to Gaudreau.

Is this management's fault? Here is a look at active leaders in points per game (I think going into season Gaudreau was at 0.941 pts/game):

• Rank Player Career Start PTS/G
  1. Connor McDavid 2015-16 1.370
  2. Sidney Crosby 2005-06 1.279
  3. Evgeni Malkin 2006-07 1.175
  4. Alex Ovechkin 2005-06 1.106
  5. Nikita Kucherov 2013-14 1.062
  6. Patrick Kane 2007-08 1.058
  7. Steven Stamkos 2008-09 1.031
  8. Nicklas Backstrom 2007-08 0.972
  9. Nathan MacKinnon 2013-14 0.964
  10. Ilya Kovalchuk 2001-02 0.946
  11. John Tavares 2009-10 0.938
  12. Joe Thornton 1997-98 0.915
  13. Claude Giroux 2007-08 0.914
  14. Ryan Getzlaf 2005-06 0.900

https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...me_active.html

This list is only those with 500 career pts so Gaudreau and other younger guys will not show up.

You will notice how many of these guys were drafted 1st overall (or top 3)
Did Treliving have a chance to draft any of them? Perhaps there are younger guys not quite at 500 pts but are trending well that Treliving could've drafted or even acquired elsewhere.

Gaudreau at 104th overall has produced at a first overall clip for his career. Have these other guys on the list had some help on their roster with dynamic offensive players?

Do people understand how good Gaudreau is? I think no, you don't.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I get that people's opinion of Johnny has soured, I'm included on that list. But if the Leafs can add Johnny at a 3.375 cap hit for this year and next that is worth a ton IMO. They have a short window themselves to win the cup and this improves their team a ton. If there was no salary retained then I agree we won't get a that much but that cap hit is easily worth it for the leafs.

Their top prospects at this point IMO are not prospects that are high end prospects and are somewhat expendable for a top offensive talent like Johnny.

Gio has not been great but at times I wonder if Rasmus is the worst of the 2. Quite often he is a mess and Gio just isn't good enough to make up for his mistakes. Gio on a good team in a lessor of a role at $3.375 cap might be an ok add for that team as well. They would be legit cup contenders after this trade if they aren't already. But IMO this deal puts them in there with Tampa and Vegas type teams

Johnny setting up Mathews will end up in the back of the net quite a bit more than what Monahan is doing right now.

They would want Gio because he is very much over due to have a decent playoff series?

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Not necessairly at you but to all the Gaudreau detractors (and I get it, the team has not performed to expectation). However some things to consider:

it has been 10(!) years since Gaudreau was drafted in the fourth round 104th overall and IMO he is the ONLY consistent, dynamic point producer on the team. They have not been able to add a dynamic offensive even close to Gaudreau.

Is this management's fault? Here is a look at active leaders in points per game (I think going into season Gaudreau was at 0.941 pts/game):

• Rank Player Career Start PTS/G
  1. Connor McDavid 2015-16 1.370
  2. Sidney Crosby 2005-06 1.279
  3. Evgeni Malkin 2006-07 1.175
  4. Alex Ovechkin 2005-06 1.106
  5. Nikita Kucherov 2013-14 1.062
  6. Patrick Kane 2007-08 1.058
  7. Steven Stamkos 2008-09 1.031
  8. Nicklas Backstrom 2007-08 0.972
  9. Nathan MacKinnon 2013-14 0.964
  10. Ilya Kovalchuk 2001-02 0.946
  11. John Tavares 2009-10 0.938
  12. Joe Thornton 1997-98 0.915
  13. Claude Giroux 2007-08 0.914
  14. Ryan Getzlaf 2005-06 0.900

https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...me_active.html

This list is only those with 500 career pts so Gaudreau and other younger guys will not show up.

You will notice how many of these guys were drafted 1st overall (or top 3)
Did Treliving have a chance to draft any of them? Perhaps there are younger guys not quite at 500 pts but are trending well that Treliving could've drafted or even acquired elsewhere.

Gaudreau at 104th overall has produced at a first overall clip for his career. Have these other guys on the list had some help on their roster with dynamic offensive players?

Do people understand how good Gaudreau is? I think no, you don't.

I can't speak for everyone, but as someone who is advocating for a Gaudreau trade, it's not because I don't think he's an incredible player. Instead, it's because we're missing a lot of other pieces that will allow us to be successful, and finding those pieces probably won't happen within Gaudreau's peak performance window.
It's better to trade him, get good assets (with full knowledge that there's a good chance we're not going to get a player as skilled back), because it will speed up the inevitable rebuild.
We can't afford another Iggy situation.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Do people understand how good Gaudreau is? I think no, you don't.

We know he’s an elite player. But, he’s the only one that can really drive offense. We also don’t know if he would re-sign here. With the way this team has been playing I’d want the hell out myself.

[sureLoss]

Friedman linking the Oilers to Derek Ryan again in his 31 thoughts.

Also said it is pretty quiet in Calgary.

[dammage79]

For all the things we can say about either Gaudreau or Monahan, the fact is neither are where they should be.
And I am not convinced in the slightest that the woes of Johnny Gaudreau are a product of his environment or linemates dragging him down, but more about him sharing an equal part in their collective downfall. People rag on Monahan hard for a lot of things but are willing to overlook the severe issues Gaudreau is also causing with his play.

I see an entire team of players doing the thing asked of them mucking and grinding for puck possession in the corners and on the boards. Meanwhile Johnnys half arsing his stick work, giving up on plays, not properly covering outlets and is usually the weak link on opposition breakouts.

He may not have to muck and grind in the corners and battle for pucks but at least cover some holes where and when there are some.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman linking the Oilers to Derek Ryan again in his 31 thoughts.

Also said it is pretty quiet in Calgary.

Free Dylan Holloway. You want Ryan, we want Holloway

[bax]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman linking the Oilers to Derek Ryan again in his 31 thoughts.

Also said it is pretty quiet in Calgary.

Incoming blockbuster

[The Yen Man]

I'd do Ryan and a 5th for the Oiler's 2nd round pick. We already have their 3rd.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Not necessairly at you but to all the Gaudreau detractors (and I get it, the team has not performed to expectation). However some things to consider:

it has been 10(!) years since Gaudreau was drafted in the fourth round 104th overall and IMO he is the ONLY consistent, dynamic point producer on the team. They have not been able to add a dynamic offensive even close to Gaudreau.

Is this management's fault? Here is a look at active leaders in points per game (I think going into season Gaudreau was at 0.941 pts/game):

• Rank Player Career Start PTS/G
  1. Connor McDavid 2015-16 1.370
  2. Sidney Crosby 2005-06 1.279
  3. Evgeni Malkin 2006-07 1.175
  4. Alex Ovechkin 2005-06 1.106
  5. Nikita Kucherov 2013-14 1.062
  6. Patrick Kane 2007-08 1.058
  7. Steven Stamkos 2008-09 1.031
  8. Nicklas Backstrom 2007-08 0.972
  9. Nathan MacKinnon 2013-14 0.964
  10. Ilya Kovalchuk 2001-02 0.946
  11. John Tavares 2009-10 0.938
  12. Joe Thornton 1997-98 0.915
  13. Claude Giroux 2007-08 0.914
  14. Ryan Getzlaf 2005-06 0.900

https://www.hockey-reference.com/lea...me_active.html

This list is only those with 500 career pts so Gaudreau and other younger guys will not show up.

You will notice how many of these guys were drafted 1st overall (or top 3)
Did Treliving have a chance to draft any of them? Perhaps there are younger guys not quite at 500 pts but are trending well that Treliving could've drafted or even acquired elsewhere.

Gaudreau at 104th overall has produced at a first overall clip for his career. Have these other guys on the list had some help on their roster with dynamic offensive players?

Do people understand how good Gaudreau is? I think no, you don't.

How many of those guys are liabilities in their own end? (maybe the 3 russians not named Malkin)

How many of these guys couldn't produce well in the playoffs?

How many of these guys had prolonged slumps in their prime? (probably a few)


Gaudreau's achievements are remarkable. But his flaws matter, too.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Do people understand how good Gaudreau is? I think no, you don't.

I understand how good Gaudreau has been. But also how good he is now.
Which isn't very good and that's been the case for a while.
Check out Timbit's on his ES production.

[868904]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman linking the Oilers to Derek Ryan again in his 31 thoughts.

Also said it is pretty quiet in Calgary.

Every time Holland calls Tre for Ryan, the answer should be the same:

"Your 2021 3rd round pick or no deal".

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

But his flaws matter, too.

Where was he drafted? 5'6" 135 lbs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Capfriendly already has the Oilers with $0 available cap space and into the LTIR relief. Could they even take Ryan for draft pick?

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman linking the Oilers to Derek Ryan again in his 31 thoughts.

Also said it is pretty quiet in Calgary.

If Edmonton gives the most for Ryan - the Flames should 100% take it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I understand how good Gaudreau has been. But also how good he is now.
Which isn't very good and that's been the case for a while.
Check out Timbit's on his ES production.

If you look at the list I originally posted, the members of that pt/gm club pretty much had another solid dynamic point producer. Has Gaudreau?

So people point to Gaudreau and blame him ES production? Gaudreau should single handedly produce better than all those other first overall drafted players?

So you're mad at Gaudreau because over his career he was the producing at a first overall clip without help but after all those years doing it alone he dropped and it's his fault? Ok.

Respectfully I don't think you truly appreciate how good he's been nor how good he is - whenever he's been on best on best teams, he rises to the top (production) but I suppose you think he can't anymore. Ok.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I understand how good Gaudreau has been. But also how good he is now.
Which isn't very good and that's been the case for a while.
Check out Timbit's on his ES production.

Yeah....i fully understand how good he WAS

and I also understand how good he COULD be in the future

but understand how good he IS? No, he is a perimeter hockey player right now and has been steadily declining for 2 calendar years.

Since they got back from the 18-19 AS break (Feb 1).....he has 74 ES pts in 141 games. 49 players have been better over that time frame. Its good but certainly not elite.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

If you look at the list I originally posted, the members of that pt/gm club pretty much had another solid dynamic point producer. Has Gaudreau?

So people point to Gaudreau and blame him ES production? Gaudreau should single handedly produce better than all those other first overall drafted players?

So you're mad at Gaudreau because over his career he was the producing at a first overall clip without help but after all those years doing it alone he dropped and it's his fault? Ok.

Respectfully I don't think you truly appreciate how good he's been nor how good he is - whenever he's been on best on best teams, he rises to the top (production) but I suppose you think he can't anymore. Ok.

I think the league figured out how to defend him.
I think he hasn't adjusted
I think he plays tentative and scared

All that makes him a less effective player.

If he is an elite player (he's not) than he should capable of elevating those around him.