Brad Treliving needs to go

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

So what's the logic behind this, 'someone else'?

I am just saying the idea that it would be hard to find someone to be a NHL GM is ludicrous. Finding any warm body to take the job is easy, we did that when Brad was hired. So we could easily find somebody. I believe we could also find a better GM than Brad quite easily as well. It is too bad that this team is in a worse position than in 2014 in terms of prospects, organizational depth etc. Despite that fact, I am confident that the Flames would be able to find a competent GM if they desired to make a change this summer and get one.

[theinfinitejar]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I just happen to think that the situation is more complicated, and I would hope ownership makes this evaluation very carefully.

The solution may be complicated but I don’t understand why anyone would think Treliving is the guy to execute it. We’re watching the fruits of his labour every other night and it’s bad, folks.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You forgot weak prospect pool, no superstars and ownership that wants to be "competitive" every year.

I thought we were discussing if BT deserves to stay.
If you're saying he has to stay because no one will want to take on this mess, I won't disagree with you there.

I just don’t think Sutter should be given any more say in roster construction than the minimal input a coach typically has. His stint as GM does not inspire confidence. I have my doubts he’s the right coach for a rebuild either, which makes the future of this franchises even less hopeful.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You forgot weak prospect pool, no superstars and ownership that wants to be "competitive" every year.

I thought we were discussing if BT deserves to stay.
If you're saying he has to stay because no one will want to take on this mess, I won't disagree with you there.

I think the mess that Brad has made may make it a little more difficult to find a replacement and less attractive for candidates. That being said, I think that a viable candidate will want one of 32 GM jobs in the league and Brad has set the bar so low for the next GM that there should be both a path to be seen as successful and some rope for the next GM.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You forgot weak prospect pool, no superstars and ownership that wants to be "competitive" every year.

I thought we were discussing if BT deserves to stay.
If you're saying he has to stay because no one will want to take on this mess, I won't disagree with you there.

Would re-phrase slightly which is to say, will someone with a better proven track record, be willing to take on this mess.

Surely someone would. Someone better though? Unsure.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I am just saying the idea that it would be hard to find someone to be a NHL GM is ludicrous. Finding any warm body to take the job is easy, we did that when Brad was hired. So we could easily find somebody. I believe we could also find a better GM than Brad quite easily as well. It is too bad that this team is in a worse position than in 2014 in terms of prospects, organizational depth etc. Despite that fact, I am confident that the Flames would be able to find a competent GM if they desired to make a change this summer and get one.

Brian Burke is a well respected hockey executive. I would wager he ends up in the Hall of Fame one day. He was hired by the Flames, in part, to help them identify management talent. Brad Treliving was his choice.

If the Flames fire Treliving (won't happen), who is helping them this time around? What hidden gem are they going to unearth? Do Murray Edwards, or any of the other owners, have the time or inclination to go through a recruitment process? It seems when they committed to Treliving, they intended to do so for quite a while. Like many well run organizations, stability is a defining factor.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by flambers

Flames have missed their window with their captain, he should be moved for sure if any teams inquire

The point is that Gio would not bring back any significant assets and would likely require the Flames to retain salary.

Would a contender think he is what they need for a boost in the playoffs?

The closest he came in his career to a winning playoff series was the play-in against Winnipeg and he was basically along for the ride in that series.


It would be a shock if the Flames protect Gio and a bigger one if Seattle were to pick him up.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Would re-phrase slightly which is to say, will someone with a better proven track record, be willing to take on this mess.

Surely someone would. Someone better though? Unsure.

What is ‘better’?

Because Tre has described himself as having been horse#### , and that was in comparatively better times

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/...r1opbp5bmyc9hn

Headline:

Calgary Flames GM Brad Treliving blames himself for team's woes: 'The manager has been horses—'

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Brian Burke is a well respected hockey executive. I would wager he ends up in the Hall of Fame one day. He was hired by the Flames, in part, to help them identify management talent. Brad Treliving was his choice.

If the Flames fire Treliving (won't happen), who is helping them this time around? What hidden gem are they going to unearth? Do Murray Edwards, or any of the other owners, have the time or inclination to go through a recruitment process? It seems when they committed to Treliving, they intended to do so for quite a while. Like many well run organizations, stability is a defining factor.

Um The Flames have a HOF coach with as many connections in the NHL management ranks as anyone.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What is ‘better’?

Because Tre has described himself as having been horse#### , and that was in comparatively better times

I would say someone with a proven track record of building a contender.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would say someone with a proven track record of building a contender.

I’d suggest that is actually significantly better

[Jiri Hrdina]

OK what would you define as better?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I would say someone with a proven track record of building a contender.

That's why I am not firm on the fire Treliving bandwagon. There are much worse GMs out there, and we have had a few of them here in Calgary. I am actually quite interested in how he manages this off-season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

OK what would you define as better?

Good question. But unnecessary, I would like to see someone significantly better

Dean Lombardi seemed to do all right with both SJ and LA

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Good question. But unnecessary, I would like to see someone significantly better

Dean Lombardi seemed to do all right with both SJ and LA

Yup so would I.
If you are going to make a change, make a change where you are bringing in someone you are confident in being able to change the fortunes of this franchise.

[Philly06Cup]

My biggest what-if as a Flames fan is not getting Mark Stone. We don't know if the Flames offered enough or if he would sign here, but damn this team would be a whole lot stronger with him on it.

Treliving worked hard to make that deal happen. I strangely give him a lot credit for that, even though it fell through.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Lombardi is a strong builder, but boy does he seem to be a terrible contract guy.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Lombardi is a strong builder, but boy does he seem to be a terrible contract guy.

Thats why Dean Lombardi as President of Hockey Ops makes sense remove the rest of the AGM's. Run Treliving and Lombardi and a new AGM/advisor

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Lombardi is a strong builder, but boy does he seem to be a terrible contract guy.

Yeah, some of those LA contracts almost seem driven by loyalty as thanks after the fact

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, some of those LA contracts almost seem driven by loyalty as thanks after the fact

But maybe he comes with the ability to get the league to bless his exits from said contracts (Mike Richards).