2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Yobbo

Yeah, I'm not too fond of players taking this stance.

As a flames fan I hoped he failed... as an economist and free market advocate I wished him all goodwill in the world

Seems smart to have dodged this dumpster fire

[NewFan]

If you going to rebuild who do you keep? We need keep some players to have a team right?
Mangi-Backlund-Dube-Lucic
Valimaki-Andersson
Killington-Mackey
Gio-Stone
Markstrom
I think Gio and Lucic not tradeble.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CFO

1000% disagree. Flames don't have anyone to qb the pp not a consistent big shot.

Fox was a mucky muck silver spoon fed Long Islander, he wasn't signing anywhere but 200 miles from home, unfortunately he's also very good so the Rangers won't be trading him to Buffalo,Winnipeg or Edmonton.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I used to blame Johnny for a lot of our woes, but now I really think we need we need to move on from Monahan, and maybe keep Gaudreau. I think aquiring a fast, play-driving C will make all the difference-Johnny has too much responsibility on his shoulders playing with Mony. Johnny can still be a valuable offensive catalyst, IMO.

I would agree, other than the fact that Johnny is a UFA in about a year.

Need to get something while we can, as his trade value only decreases from here n out.


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[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I used to blame Johnny for a lot of our woes, but now I really think we need we need to move on from Monahan, and maybe keep Gaudreau. I think aquiring a fast, play-driving C will make all the difference-Johnny has too much responsibility on his shoulders playing with Mony. Johnny can still be a valuable offensive catalyst, IMO.

If I'm not mistaken, people close to the Flames, such as Steinberg, have stated that they think Gaudreau is much more likely to re-sign than Monahan.
Another thing is that Gaudreau is probably going to age much more gracefully. He is less injury prone and probably won't slow down anytime soon.

I am definitely more open to trading Monahan than Gaudreau. And I agree, Gaudreau might excel with the right mix of line mates.

[djsFlames]

We need to bring in a player like Cozens to kickstart a proper retool...

I think one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk has to go as those are the two most valuable guys in terms of what you get back.

Monahan doesn't garner much value until he improves his stock. His contract is longer so he has more time to rebound and gain some interest.

I just don't think about moving Lindholm because he is versatile, more consistent than the other guys and is on an amazing contract.

[Poe969]

But those might be the reasons to trade him. I would want to keep Lindholm but he might be the guy that would get the best return. There are guys you would want to keep but realistically, everyone on this team should be available

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If I'm not mistaken, people close to the Flames, such as Steinberg, have stated that they think Gaudreau is much more likely to re-sign than Monahan.
Another thing is that Gaudreau is probably going to age much more gracefully. He is less injury prone and probably won't slow down anytime soon.

I am definitely more open to trading Monahan than Gaudreau. And I agree, Gaudreau might excel with the right mix of line mates.

I have never ever heard this. Their contracts point to the opposite conclusion, as well as reporting, the negotiation process, nationality, community work, etc.

Anyway, the decision about Monahan re-signing is a year further away, he has a much less stringless M-NTC. And, like has been said, his value is likely not as great. Gaudreau re-signing is a huge roll of the dice starting when his NTC kicks in at the beginning of next year. This offseason is probably the last realistic chance to trade him. If you don’t have 100% certainty he re-signs, you have to pull the trigger.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

We need to bring in a player like Cozens to kickstart a proper retool...

I think one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk has to go as those are the two most valuable guys in terms of what you get back.

Monahan doesn't garner much value until he improves his stock. His contract is longer so he has more time to rebound and gain some interest.

I just don't think about moving Lindholm because he is versatile, more consistent than the other guys and is on an amazing contract.

Once players like that make the league, they don’t generally get traded.

In Buffalo’s position - why would they trade Cozens? They’re the worst team in the league and are likely to be trading their best player this summer. It’s a rebuild there, and Cozens is a first year centre.

If you’re after a prospect like that you have to look at teams who are looking to either add a position of need or take a step into their “window”.

LA is apparently looking to move a young prospect for a young defenceman. A deal involving Alex Turcotte and Noah Hanifin could make some sense.

Florida is looking for centre and defensive depth - could they make Anton Lundell available?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I would agree, other than the fact that Johnny is a UFA in about a year.

Need to get something while we can, as his trade value only decreases from here n out.


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So you are saying he won't sign here guaranteed? Another member of the Church of Francis?

[Nelson]

At this point, I would have four levels of trade-able assets at the deadline:

1. Expiring UFAs and RFAs (minus Kylington and prospects) - actively seek to trade them for draft picks or prospects,

2. Mark Giordano - actively seek to trade for a fair return (rapidly depreciating asset),

3. Everyone else - available for trade for great return and

4. Cap space - use creatively to trade your own assets and assist other teams’ trades.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you are saying he won't sign here guaranteed? Another member of the Church of Francis?

You are correct, nothing is ever guaranteed.

But unless an extension is signed this summer, I think you need to assume he’s likely not coming back and move him.

Plus, is he really the player you want to go an additional 8 years with? And I assume that his contract value has never been lower due to his production. If I was Johnny and wanted to maximize my next contract, playing next year under Sutter is not the way to do it. Not signing an extension and basically facilitating a trade likely increases his chances of having a better year.


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[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

IF he is damaged goods, he won't get traded. They will need to disclose material facts (i.e. medical history) and the trading partner would have him examined by their specialist.

Which makes you wonder why the Flames kept playing him while he was injured a few seasons ago. Should have sat him let him heal up before all those surgeries.

[bluejays]

Getting a good return will probably be hard for some guys all things considered. Crappy cap situation across the league, and the crappy draft ahead, what's the benefit of dealing away one of our big three forwards, for a really dicey draft pick? All three are tradable (Johnny's salary is a plus, Monahan's production to his salary/position are plusses, Tkachuk's skillset is worth a gamble to teams). But if the return is just a first rounder + random picks, it's not worth it for any. Which makes me wonder if taking on a bad contract for a year if the other teams can bump up the return, would be gold in this market. And no, I'm not advocating Skinner because that term is untradeable under any circumstances with Lucic on the books.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by fleury

Getting a good return will probably be hard for some guys all things considered. Crappy cap situation across the league, and the crappy draft ahead, what's the benefit of dealing away one of our big three forwards, for a really dicey draft pick? All three are tradable (Johnny's salary is a plus, Monahan's production to his salary/position are plusses, Tkachuk's skillset is worth a gamble to teams). But if the return is just a first rounder + random picks, it's not worth it for any. Which makes me wonder if taking on a bad contract for a year if the other teams can bump up the return, would be gold in this market. And no, I'm not advocating Skinner because that term is untradeable under any circumstances with Lucic on the books.

Monny’s production relative to salary is no longer a plus until he proves himself productive. He simply doesn’t score much anymore, especially 5v5.


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[tkflames]

Originally Posted by fleury

Getting a good return will probably be hard for some guys all things considered. Crappy cap situation across the league, and the crappy draft ahead, what's the benefit of dealing away one of our big three forwards, for a really dicey draft pick? All three are tradable (Johnny's salary is a plus, Monahan's production to his salary/position are plusses, Tkachuk's skillset is worth a gamble to teams). But if the return is just a first rounder + random picks, it's not worth it for any. Which makes me wonder if taking on a bad contract for a year if the other teams can bump up the return, would be gold in this market. And no, I'm not advocating Skinner because that term is untradeable under any circumstances with Lucic on the books.

Because cap space is king and you need to rebuild thr culture from the ground up. You are right...the Flames likely have a 2-3 year reload ahead to get out from Gio, Lucic, Brouwer etc. However at least you can build a winning culture from the ground up. Sutter + Lucic + ??? are the kind of leaders you want to build a winner around.

Man...that last sentence was shocking...I tried to think of leaders on the team that have a winning history in the NHL...

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1378725908056539136

Maybe a market for Rittich. Playoff teams with league worst goaltending: Blues, Caps and Predators (although Saros is playing well).

[Toonage]

^ Lebrun has mentioned the Caps a few times as a good fit for Rittich. The guy seems plugged into the Flames and may have some knowledge or feel for a potential move there

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

^ Lebrun has mentioned the Caps a few times as a good fit for Rittich. The guy seems plugged into the Flames and may have some knowledge or feel for a potential move there

If the Flames can grab a draft pick, they should move him for sure

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Which makes you wonder why the Flames kept playing him while he was injured a few seasons ago. Should have sat him let him heal up before all those surgeries.

Not everything heals the same way. I think it is possible that he has sustained permanent, irreversible damage.

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