2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by shutout

However if you are going to pay him $6-7M over 6-7 years as a UFA it might be a pretty good insurance policy to acquire him this summer and let him play for you a year to see if he is a fit with the team and if he can do what you hope for success. If he is underwhelming during that year than you save yourself a pretty expensive mistake.

That in itself might be worth making a deal for a player that they are having issues with like Konecny.

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think if the Flames trade him to Boston, either NY team, or the Caps then he will sign an extension there and Philly misses out

I'm not convinced PHI REALLY wants him (though I'm sure they'd be happy to get him). Is offence their problem? No. Goaltending and RD.

Seth Jones. Parayko. Pulock. All UFAs the same year as Johnny (and Couturier+Giroux). If they're spending assets to secure a guy early, it would be one of them.

A silver lining for PHI might be the Hart will be taking a cheap bridge compared to something like Demko just signed.

If I'm PHI I wait to see who SEA takes - presumably JVR or JV.

Then I take a big swing at Dougie Hamilton if he hits UFA. If that's a no go, maybe I move assets for another premium RD. If Johnny falls into my lap next TDL or UFA 2022 fine. But I'm not giving up much to solve a problem I don't really have.

I could also see them going after a better older goalie like Rask, Rinne, or Halak...or maybe trade for Kuemper?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

5 goals in 32 games and Voracek is still high end?

Disingenuous much?

27 points in 32 games. All 5G and 15A were EV.

More EVP than any Flame (who've had 5 more games).

Voracek's never been a big goal scorer, but a pretty reliable 20G, 60+P guy (with a couple years over 80). JV's peak was lower than Johnny's peak, but their 'average' seasons are remarkably similar (still a slight edge to Johnny).

[dino7c]

Did the NHL start only counting even strength goals? seems to be a topic in every discussion.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Disingenuous much?

27 points in 32 games. All 5G and 15A were EV.

More EVP than any Flame (who've had 5 more games).

Voracek's never been a big goal scorer, but a pretty reliable 20G, 60+P guy (with a couple years over 80). JV's peak was lower than Johnny's peak, but their 'average' seasons are remarkably similar (still a slight edge to Johnny).

So again why are we doing that trade?

[evman150]

Anyone else having deja vu with talk about trading our best player to Philadelphia? Last time we did this, the going rate was Simon Gagne, Justin Williams, and a 1st round pick. Or something like that.

[Cowtownred]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think if the Flames trade him to Boston, either NY team, or the Caps then he will sign an extension there and Philly misses out

I watched Boston the other night. I think Johnny G is what they need. I am sure, he will RIP it up in Beantown once more.

[Philly06Cup]

I hate to be the bear of bad news, but a Philly-Calgary trade is really unlikely to happen.

Philly has no urgent need for Gaudreau.
They need cap space to desperately retool the defense.

People here are crazy obsessed with a Phi-Cgy trade. It's mind-bottling.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Cowtownred

I watched Boston the other night. I think Johnny G is what they need. I am sure, he will RIP it up in Beantown once more.

I don't see anything that Boston has that would be of interest to us, or that they would give up in a trade for Johnny. They are thin on quality young players and prospects, other than Pastrnak of course-and he's going nowhere.

I would love to get Johnny Beecher(1st rounder, huge, quick, physical, limited offence), but he's not worth giving Johnny up for.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377971528223035393

Wyshynski’s guide for all 31 teams for the trade deadline. Great read. Flames content below:

North Division

Calgary Flames

Status: Tweener

Players, picks in play: 2021 first-round pick, C Sam Bennett ($2.55 million, RFA in 2021), C Derek Ryan ($3.125 million, UFA in 2021), G David Rittich ($2.75 million, UFA in 2021)

What to watch: On April 1, the Flames had a 10.7% chance of making the playoffs, per Money Puck. That's probably high enough to prevent them from trading too many players away at the deadline -- Calgary didn't lure Darryl Sutter off the farm for an in-season dismantling. Is it enough to make the Flames a team to make additions? One would hope they'd have a more measured view of their current status than to give away the future for a futile push for the postseason. But GM Brad Treliving has been all-in all season.

What they should do: If they can find teams that want to trade for Bennett and Ryan, make those deals. The lack of goaltenders with expiring contracts available could make Rittich valuable, and the Flames should listen. But obviously the heavy lifting will come in the offseason, as Calgary takes a microscope to its core of players to see that -- finally -- it's time to move on from the Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau era.

[savemedrzaius]

Realistically what would Flames fans expect as a return for Rittich?

[Jiri Hrdina]

A 4th

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A 4th

Then no deal.

Remember when we pried a 2nd round pick for Berra? I'm not saying anyone would do that deal now, but Rittich has to be worth more than a 4th for the deal to be worth it. He was a 1A goalie just last year and has been pretty good as a backup for extended periods when Markstrom was out. I think a team ready to go on a run would want him as insurance the same way Khudobin allowed the Stars to go on a run as their "backup" last year.

To me, that's worth at least a 3rd, but you could probably snag a 2nd in the right situation.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Realistically what would Flames fans expect as a return for Rittich?

Hard to know, especially if there is at least two teams than want him.

The highest I could dream is a second, but I think a third is realistic. But really depends on who else is available. I’m guessing one of Mrazek and Reimer is also available.


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[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

A 4th

Seems fair for an upcoming UFA with issues of consistency this year. If that's the price hope Leafs get him.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Then no deal.

Remember when we pried a 2nd round pick for Berra? I'm not saying anyone would do that deal now, but Rittich has to be worth more than a 4th for the deal to be worth it. He was a 1A goalie just last year and has been pretty good as a backup for extended periods when Markstrom was out. I think a team ready to go on a run would want him as insurance the same way Khudobin allowed the Stars to go on a run as their "backup" last year.

To me, that's worth at least a 3rd, but you could probably snag a 2nd in the right situation.

That berra trade was a fleece job by Burke and would be hard to replicate. Goalie trades are so hard to measure and you have equivalent options out there which will depress the market, combined with a buyers market. Honestly, if you can find a partner, take what you can get in terms of pick or prospect. He is unlikely to return. This year will be unique with flat cap and expansion draft. Opportunity for us to do a reset by trading picks to teams who are set to lose players for nothing and flatten the reset/retool, or we use the pick and find a potential gem in an uncertain draft.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Then no deal.

Remember when we pried a 2nd round pick for Berra? I'm not saying anyone would do that deal now, but Rittich has to be worth more than a 4th for the deal to be worth it. He was a 1A goalie just last year and has been pretty good as a backup for extended periods when Markstrom was out. I think a team ready to go on a run would want him as insurance the same way Khudobin allowed the Stars to go on a run as their "backup" last year.

To me, that's worth at least a 3rd, but you could probably snag a 2nd in the right situation.

3rd or 4th is all Rittich is getting. Cant compare to the Berra deal, Burke fleeced the Avs.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

3rd or 4th is all Rittich is getting. Cant compare to the Berra deal, Burke fleeced the Avs.

Yeah, Burke flat out “won” that trade. We can’t expect to win every deal to that level. Every 3rd, every 4th - they all add up. They’re all bullets in the chamber.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Then no deal.

Remember when we pried a 2nd round pick for Berra? I'm not saying anyone would do that deal now, but Rittich has to be worth more than a 4th for the deal to be worth it. He was a 1A goalie just last year and has been pretty good as a backup for extended periods when Markstrom was out. I think a team ready to go on a run would want him as insurance the same way Khudobin allowed the Stars to go on a run as their "backup" last year.

To me, that's worth at least a 3rd, but you could probably snag a 2nd in the right situation.

The Berra deal remains baffling to this day, but he was more than a rental. Rittich is a pending UFA so all it is - is a back up rental. That ain't worth much.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Realistically what would Flames fans expect as a return for Rittich?

I was going to say a 3rd to a 5th. But that’s pretty similar to what everyone else has already said.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Then no deal.

Remember when we pried a 2nd round pick for Berra? I'm not saying anyone would do that deal now, but Rittich has to be worth more than a 4th for the deal to be worth it. He was a 1A goalie just last year and has been pretty good as a backup for extended periods when Markstrom was out. I think a team ready to go on a run would want him as insurance the same way Khudobin allowed the Stars to go on a run as their "backup" last year.

To me, that's worth at least a 3rd, but you could probably snag a 2nd in the right situation.

If thats all thats offered...you take it and run.

Just because something happened 5 years ago in a separate deal in a different cap era with different circumstances, doesnt mean you base this years deals on that one.

DR is a very average G at best with zero playoff history and to get anything for him is a win. In fact i doubt he can even be dealt when you factor in cap space and existing G situations among playoff teams unless injuries strike.