Adam Fox & the NCAA "Loophole?"

[GioforPM]

I get the bitterness that Fox has had success. But it was still a good draft pick - the Flames parlayed him into something, which they could not have with almost anyone taken later. No one else in the 3rd round did much, there’s only Mete in the 4th and Jesper Bratt in the 6th that have had any meaningful impact in the NHL.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

the player is obviously on a full ride scholarship and ends their 4 years with a degree. With Fox he was at Harvard so not that difficult to stick around.

Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I'd to go back and look, but I think the concern with Fox started happening after his first year in college when he blew up...he left Harvard with one year of eligibility remaining...which was the same as Gaudreau.

All I am saying is it sucks that this happened to Calgary, but Fox is the outlier... I'd be hard pressed to find someone else that did this and became a star in the NHL.

If there are concerns with it, the solution is easy - do not draft someone that is intending to go to a US college program. The other solution is getting the NHLPA to agree to indefinite draft rights, which is highly unlikely.

Blake Wheeler is probably one of the better players to do it. Refused to sign with Phoenix. Phoenix ended up getting a 2nd round compensatory pick though.

Justin Schultz is another example, but he signed in Edmonton, so maybe not the best example.

Tom Erixon didn't pan out, but was viewed very highly at the time.

There are probably more. It's not like it happens every year, but when it does happen, it is brutal for the team it happens to. When all is said and done, Fox could be the best player to have gone this route.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I'd to go back and look, but I think the concern with Fox started happening after his first year in college when he blew up...he left Harvard with one year of eligibility remaining...which was the same as Gaudreau.

All I am saying is it sucks that this happened to Calgary, but Fox is the outlier... I'd be hard pressed to find someone else that did this and became a star in the NHL.

If there are concerns with it, the solution is easy - do not draft someone that is intending to go to a US college program. The other solution is getting the NHLPA to agree to indefinite draft rights, which is highly unlikely.

Kevin Hayes did it and while he may not be a superstar he is paid like one.

Someone suggested earlier if the drafting team offers the max ELC at the end of the college term they should have to go to that team. A similar situation to having matching an offer sheet for a RFA

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by getbak

Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships.

Very interesting I did not know that

[Roof-Daddy]

Fox wasn't the key to getting the Carolina deal done. The Canes knew full well they'd have little chance to sign him either but gambled and then still got a couple picks for his rights. That deal still gets done by adding something else IMO and in a perfect world the little prick is patrolling the Flames blue line right now shoring up one of the biggest weaknesses on the roster.

It's awesome being a fan of this team. Even the odd time they actually do something right, they still get ####ed over somehow.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Canadian team are at a significant disadvantage in many ways. I have no problem with Fox using the system to his advantage, but it's a loophole, a 22 year old kid should under no terms be able to dictate where he plays, does any other league ev allow this. If the kids wants to play in the NHL have him pay his dues, like any other man or woman trying to establish their career. The NHL is allowing him to be a self centered brat,

Well, any other man or women trying to establish their career can likely work where they chose to work. The company, the country, the city.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well, any other man or women trying to establish their career can likely work where they chose to work. The company, the country, the city.


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So? There isn't a workforce entry draft for the every day working stiff.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So? There isn't a workforce entry draft for the every day working stiff.

I wasn’t the one to compare the nhl player to every other man and women. I thought it was a silly comparison.


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[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I get the bitterness that Fox has had success. But it was still a good draft pick - the Flames parlayed him into something, which they could not have with almost anyone taken later. No one else in the 3rd round did much, there’s only Mete in the 4th and Jesper Bratt in the 6th that have had any meaningful impact in the NHL.

Yeah, even in hindsight knowing he wouldn't sign, he was still the best player the Flames could have taken at the time.


The Erixon and Hickey picks look worse in hindsight because there were still some decent players left on the board when they were taken. If there was any hint that either of them might be a danger not to sign, they shouldn't have been taken.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by getbak

Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships.

Technically true but there are other massive financial incentives/aid that they can provide. https://scholarshipowl.com/blog/appl...-scholarships/

[Weitz]

If you’re the NHL owners and teams, what are you giving the players to close this “loophole”?

Probably nothing because it’s not a concern to them?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If you’re the NHL owners and teams, what are you giving the players to close this “loophole”?

Probably nothing because it’s not a concern to them?

I think you are probably right.

When I at first thought about this my first reaction was, "Why would current NHLPA members care about the rights and freedoms of players who have not yet even been drafted?" But then, this fails to account for the most important point of any discussion surrounding the CBA: EVERYTHING that the owners want is a bargaining chip. If this is something the NHL felt strongly about, you damn well better believe that the player's union will milk it to extract as much value as possible from it in the form of concessions.

[dino7c]

Owners win, always

Millionares vs. Billionares

If the owners really want something they get it...will be even more true going forward IMO. No owner ever went broke because of a lockout.

[driveway]

I disagree with all y'all communists not wanting to give adults the ability to choose the place they want to work.

The NCAA "loophole" is perfect the way it is and should be expanded into more sports. Forgo years of earning potential to gain the ability to have some say in where you work? That's exactly how it should be.

Sure, it would be awesome if Adam Fox were on our team, but getting mad that he isn't? Y'all are too invested in this dumb game we love.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Fox wasn't the key to getting the Carolina deal done. The Canes knew full well they'd have little chance to sign him either but gambled and then still got a couple picks for his rights. That deal still gets done by adding something else IMO and in a perfect world the little prick is patrolling the Flames blue line right now shoring up one of the biggest weaknesses on the roster.

It's awesome being a fan of this team. Even the odd time they actually do something right, they still get ####ed over somehow.

This is true. Hamilton was the key to the deal and other prices negotiable from what has been reported subsequently. Bennett and a 2nd maybe get the deal done as well.

But that wouldn’t have solved the problem of Fox not wanting to be here.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If you’re the NHL owners and teams, what are you giving the players to close this “loophole”?

Probably nothing because it’s not a concern to them?

No one other than perhaps fans want this to change.

It’s an intentional rule.


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[rhino]

Originally Posted by Weitz

If you’re the NHL owners and teams, what are you giving the players to close this “loophole”?

Probably nothing because it’s not a concern to them?

I say the NHL moves to an NFL style model. A college player must declare for the draft and forgo the rest of college eligibility

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by rhino

I say the NHL moves to an NFL style model. A college player must declare for the draft and forgo the rest of college eligibility

No. These kids have no guarantee at a multi year multimillion dollar career. Forgoing education to chase it is idiotic.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by getbak

Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships.

10 second Google search showed they don't offer scholarships but give money to attend school, so free education and can play hockey/basketball etc.

Do Ivy League athletes get scholarships?
Yes, the Ivy League cannot offer athletic scholarships, but this does not mean that they can't provide financial aid. In fact, all of the Ivys have a blind admissions/financial aid process, which benefits the student athlete in question.