2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Harry Lime]

Flyers fans have always been pretty straightforward about what a Johnny trade would look like. One of (JVR, Vorocek or Ghost) and a good prospect or young player.

Vorocek as a natural RW fills a pretty big need on this team, and it's likely that Philly would match dollar in dollar out, as is the nature of trades this year.

Philly may not make the playoffs, but they have a rabid fanbase and a Johnny trade would keep the wolves at bay.

Vorocek (1.5M retained) + Bobby Brink or morgan Frost could make everyone happy.

[showtime]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Why are we talking about adding players that are a year away from UFA status? Move out the core and start again. This season is over.

Because he could have value next year. And if you did a full rebuild (we wont) it wouldn't be a bad idea to have someone who play in the top 6 and be trade chip at next deadline.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Flyers fans have always been pretty straightforward about what a Johnny trade would look like. One of (JVR, Vorocek or Ghost) and a good prospect or young player.

Vorocek as a natural RW fills a pretty big need on this team, and it's likely that Philly would match dollar in dollar out, as is the nature of trades this year.

Philly may not make the playoffs, but they have a rabid fanbase and a Johnny trade would keep the wolves at bay.

Vorocek (1.5M retained) + Bobby Brink or morgan Frost could make everyone happy.

No Flames fans should be happy that the biggest item you are getting in return for Gaudreau is a soon to be 32 year old Voracek.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Anyone who thinks the Flames are going full rebuild and dealing their high end players for picks and prospects are in for a reality check. This team will re-tool at best, there is no chance they will blow it up and rebuild.

There isn’t even remote doubt in my mind you are correct. Even if we see a trade at the deadline where perhaps the Flames trade a player for futures I suspect the moves they make to their roster over the summer will not have people thinking this team is rebuilding is that going after top free agents? Is that flipping the futures to cap strapped teams to add players via trade? Is it hockey deals for similar aged or slightly younger/older players?

It certainly won’t be a tear down. Maybe the Flames will resemble a rebuilt team next year but they will certainly not be entertaining a strip down and tank strategy going into next season barring multiple trade requests or Sutter deciding to step down will be to win

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Flyers fans have always been pretty straightforward about what a Johnny trade would look like. One of (JVR, Vorocek or Ghost) and a good prospect or young player.

Vorocek as a natural RW fills a pretty big need on this team, and it's likely that Philly would match dollar in dollar out, as is the nature of trades this year.

Philly may not make the playoffs, but they have a rabid fanbase and a Johnny trade would keep the wolves at bay.

Vorocek (1.5M retained) + Bobby Brink or morgan Frost could make everyone happy.

Just rewording your post a little bit

Flames fans have always been straight forward that it would take Konecny to get Johnny out of Calgary.

Konecny is a RW and fills a pretty big need on this team. He fits the age of the group and also the style of play.

Calgary will not make the playoffs, but we have a rabid fanbase and a Johnny trade might keep the wolves at bay.

So a deal around Johnny and TK maybe with some picks or other pieces in to balance it all out could make everyone happy

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm pretty sure that at this point, any Gaudreau trade is just going to look FUGLY. If Treliving was getting good offers for him I think he'd have been traded already.

The Flyers know that if they want him they will be his first choice if he hits free agency.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm pretty sure that at this point, any Gaudreau trade is just going to look FUGLY. If Treliving was getting good offers for him I think he'd have been traded already.

The Flyers know that if they want him they will be his first choice if he hits free agency.

However if you are going to pay him $6-7M over 6-7 years as a UFA it might be a pretty good insurance policy to acquire him this summer and let him play for you a year to see if he is a fit with the team and if he can do what you hope for success. If he is underwhelming during that year than you save yourself a pretty expensive mistake.

That in itself might be worth making a deal for a player that they are having issues with like Konecny.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'm pretty sure that at this point, any Gaudreau trade is just going to look FUGLY. If Treliving was getting good offers for him I think he'd have been traded already.

The Flyers know that if they want him they will be his first choice if he hits free agency.

I think if the Flames trade him to Boston, either NY team, or the Caps then he will sign an extension there and Philly misses out

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think if the Flames trade him to Boston, either NY team, or the Caps then he will sign an extension there and Philly misses out

This is my thinking and why it makes sense for Philly to acquire Johnny now, rather than possibly missing out on an opportunity.



Also, if Johnny is traded then the Flames need to get younger, not older.

[Harry Lime]

The main piece in a Philly trade would be Frost, not Vorocek. Getting a top three prospect in a teams system should be the goal. Vorocek is a placekeeper and salary evener.

Konecy was the Flyers top scorer last season. I haven't heard anything at all about him being available.

Likewise, veteran player plus Kravtsov from NYR, or veteran player plus top prospect from NJD, ect.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The main piece in a Philly trade would be Frost, not Vorocek. Getting a top three prospect in a teams system should be the goal. Vorocek is a placekeeper and salary evener.

Konecy was the Flyers top scorer last season. I haven't heard anything at all about him being available.

Likewise, veteran player plus Kravtsov from NYR, or veteran player plus top prospect from NJD, ect.

I agree.

Would love to get Newhook from Colorado with a trade like Compher, Newhook, Calvert, 2021 1st/2nd (if Colorado makes it to the Conf finals) for Gaudreau and Rittich (50%)

The top prospect should be the main priority.

[Winsor_Pilates]

If the Flames trade Johnny for Vorocek, I don't think I'll ever watch hockey again.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The main piece in a Philly trade would be Frost, not Vorocek. Getting a top three prospect in a teams system should be the goal. Vorocek is a placekeeper and salary evener.

Konecy was the Flyers top scorer last season. I haven't heard anything at all about him being available.

Likewise, veteran player plus Kravtsov from NYR, or veteran player plus top prospect from NJD, ect.

But where would Frost fit into our own prospect ranking? The production isn't good. He is 4 years removed from being drafted and hasn't played much this year. He would be below Phillips and Ruzicka in my mind. If that is the payoff, I'm passing. If that is the best possible offer between all teams, I'm keeping him in Calgary for his UFA year. Sorry, it's just not good enough... Doesn't move the needle at all for me.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Lol. Your not done. None of the regular posters are. We are all addicted to everything flames. Unless the owners let out some racist rant , I’ll be supporting flames till the day I die.

Speak for yourself, mate. There are plenty of us who really only care about the transactional side of hockey (trades, signings, draft picks). Just about the only thing keeping this franchise relevant at all is that they’re not hopelessly lost at the draft table (you know, when the team isn’t trading all their picks for the Travis Hamonics and Brian Elliotts of the world).

A return to drafting for size would spell “abandon all hope” for the foreseeable future.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The main piece in a Philly trade would be Frost, not Vorocek. Getting a top three prospect in a teams system should be the goal. Vorocek is a placekeeper and salary evener.

Konecy was the Flyers top scorer last season. I haven't heard anything at all about him being available.

Likewise, veteran player plus Kravtsov from NYR, or veteran player plus top prospect from NJD, ect.

Frost is 22 and out for the year with an injury. Remember how great Valimaki looked before he got hurt? Frost is far from a great piece anymore.

Konecny had a brutal playoff and has been scratched this year for poor play so not sure he is as untouchable as he used to be.

Do the flames consider trying to sell high on Hanifin and expanding the deal to include Hanifin and Sanheim? Sanheim a former Hitmen player is due a raise this offseason where Hanifin comes in at a number for the next 3 years that will certainly be less than what Sanheim wants.

Gaudreau+Bennett+Hanifin+Rittich
For
Konecny+JVR+Sanhiem+Elliott

Cap is only $250k apart so the deal works. Flyers get the hometown superstar, a gritty replacement for Konecny (strictly talking grit here), and upgraded cost controlled Dman, and a potential new tandem goalie to test drive who could be a fit with Hart.

Flames shake their team up adding a top line RW, and a LW who has been a goal scorer for his career. They get a replacement top 4 Dman and a backup who can walk in the summer.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The main piece in a Philly trade would be Frost, not Vorocek. Getting a top three prospect in a teams system should be the goal. Vorocek is a placekeeper and salary evener.



Konecy was the Flyers top scorer last season. I haven't heard anything at all about him being available.



Likewise, veteran player plus Kravtsov from NYR, or veteran player plus top prospect from NJD, ect.

Frost is a fine prospect, but there is nothing special about him. If that's the best you can do in a Gaudreau trade then don't even move him.



Philly fans don't get to decide what a Gaudreau trade looks like. If you're trading Gaudreau you're not bringing back a declining 32 year old with a cap hit over 8 million for the next 3 season. That's terrible value.

[Bonded]

Voracek and Frost is gross. Would rather trade Gaudreau for a 1st and smaller contract. Frost looks like a bottom six forward at this point. Didn't light up the AHL and can't stick in the NHL.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Flyers fans have always been pretty straightforward about what a Johnny trade would look like. One of (JVR, Vorocek or Ghost) and a good prospect or young player.

Vorocek as a natural RW fills a pretty big need on this team, and it's likely that Philly would match dollar in dollar out, as is the nature of trades this year.

Philly may not make the playoffs, but they have a rabid fanbase and a Johnny trade would keep the wolves at bay.

Vorocek (1.5M retained) + Bobby Brink or morgan Frost could make everyone happy.

Who cares what Flyer fans think?

[Harry Lime]

Well, golly gee whilickers.

All I'm saying is that because of covid and the cap, there is going to be contract balancing in any trade. Along with that, the goal of a trade should be to recover a top three prospect.

Philly - Vorocek (1.5M retained) this is great value on a two year deal. I'm not sure which player you guys have been seeing, other than the Flyers being trash this year, Voro is still high end. Plus Farabee and Brink.

NYR - Kreider and Kravtsov. (this would be a great trade, IMO.)

NJD - If they want to unload Gusev, I'll take Dawson Mercer.

That does it for all of Johnny's near home destinations that he is likely to re-sign with (and thus raise his value to trading to those markets).

Edit : for below. Vorocek has 5 goals and 22 assists on a crappy team. That would put him second in scoring on the Flames. Didn't want to further clutter the thread.

[Vinny01]

5 goals in 32 games and Voracek is still high end?