2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Sounds about right I do see a potential goalie swap too.

I assume you mean Rittich?

[Heavy Jack]

I really do hope we commit to a reload philosophy here and make the most out of our star players in the trade market. I do think we will need to wait until the draft on some of the big tag players but there should be no excuse if we still have the likes of Bennett, Leivo, Ryan, Simon, Nesterov and Rittich on this team post trade deadline.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

I really do hope we commit to a reload philosophy here and make the most out of our star players in the trade market. I do think we will need to wait until the draft on some of the big tag players but there should be no excuse if we still have the likes of Bennett, Leivo, Ryan, Simon, Nesterov and Rittich on this team post trade deadline.

And if nobody wants these players?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Much like the Flames, the Flyers have to do.....something.

As bad is this is you have to think they played more games considering the schedule this year.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by dino7c

And if nobody wants these players?

That would be the only excuse really and players who fall in that category would be Simon, Leivo and Nesterov but Ryan, Bennett and Rittich should easily command a pick of some sort.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dino7c

As bad is this is you have to think they played more games considering the schedule this year.

Not by much.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377682168734916612

Bader is advocating for a team to pick up Gusev. I think the flames have room to pick him up, according to Capfriendly indicating he is due $1.47 million in remaining cap hit and Pike calculates the Flames have room for a $1.7 million addition.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377403355371212803

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377682168734916612

Bader is advocating for a team to pick up Gusev. I think the flames have room to pick him up, according to Capfriendly indicating he is due $1.47 million in remaining cap hit and Pike calculates the Flames have room for a $1.7 million addition.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377403355371212803

Wouldn’t shock me if the Hawks put in a claim and play him with Kane.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by dino7c

As bad is this is you have to think they played more games considering the schedule this year.

Maybe...but even at that, they gave up 4.5 goals a game...for a month.

[FlamesAddiction]

Gusev is small, like Gaudreau small.

If the team was playing well and poised to make the playoffs, he would be a good insurance rental, but for how things stand at the moment, I don't think he moves the needle much. Adding him could have an opportunity cost if a better, and more appropriate option were to arise.

[Monahammer]

Why are we still so fixated on size with Johnny- mony? Hudler played well with them and he was a shrimp. That article last week, i thought pretty conclusively, showed that what Mony-Gaudreau needs most is a player who can carry the puck through the neutral zone and be a second option for zone entry with Gaudreau. That and a better puck moving RD.
So the question, IMO, should be if Gusev is a better puck carrier through the neutral zone than what we have and is good at zone entries? If so, we should pick him up.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1377589689318793217

Trade Board updated. Not very inspired with Savard at number 1, Chicago cap space at 15 and Tony DeAngelo at 30. Sam Bennett is the sole Flame listed at 26.

I like how the Trade Board has "Toronto's Top Prospect" at number 8. We don't know who that player is but for sure he takes the number 8 spot because Toronto.

[SportsJunky]

Why are we talking about adding players that are a year away from UFA status? Move out the core and start again. This season is over.

[SuperMatt18]

My strategy going into the trade deadline and the offseason would be:

Trade UFAs That Might Have Value
Ryan, Nordstrom, Leivo, Nesterov, Rittich

RFAs to deal
Bennett

Core Pieces to trade for decent return
Gaudreau, Monahan, Giordano

Roster Pieces to Build Around
Forwards: Tkachuk, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Dube, Backlund (might be tough to move with his deal), Lucic (unmoveable contract IMO)
Defense: Hanifin, Tanev (could move at right price), Andersson, Valimaki, Kylington
Goalie: Markstrom

Prospects to Build Around
Forwards: Zary, Pelletier, Phillips, Pettersen, Ruzicka, Gawdin
Defense: Mackey
Goalie: Wolf

My trade proposals:

Giordano (50% retained) for Kerfoot + Robertson
Gaudreau+Bennett+Nesterov for Konecny, Gostisbehere, 2022 1st
Monahan for Lundell, Stralman (Cap Dump), Heponiemi

Roster going into next season (Not lines but more a depth chart):

NHL Forwards:
Tkachuk, Lindholm, Konecny, Mangiapane, Backlund, Dube, Kerfoot, Lucic

Top Forward Prospects:
Pelletier, Robertson, Zary, Lundell, Phillips, Ruzicka, Gawdin, Heponiemi

LD: Hanifin, Valimaki, Gostisbehere, Mackey
RD: Tanev, Anderson, Stralman, Kylington,

Goalie: Markstrom

Not the most high end talent on the team but it would end up being young, talented, and quick if you went with the young prospects that will be close to stepping in (Robertson, Pelletier, Lundell, Zary etc). Could add to it in UFA as well, and potentially with what return you get from a guy like Backlund and any other offseason moves. Guys like Stralman, and Gostisbehere could be flipped as well with less term remaining and if the Flames are willing to eat some cap.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Why are we talking about adding players that are a year away from UFA status? Move out the core and start again. This season is over.

That is not happening. If it was Ward would still be coaching and it would have been a house cleaning this summer from management down through ahl players.

Sutter will not have any part of that and i would imagine it was deeply discussed before he signed to come on board.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is not happening. If it was Ward would still be coaching and it would have been a house cleaning this summer from management down through ahl players.

Sutter will not have any part of that and i would imagine it was deeply discussed before he signed to come on board.

Then surely he can leave the organization if that's the case.

If the coach of this team dictates what we do with our players and our long-term plan, we are truly in trouble and will almost certainly never compete for the foreseeable future.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by transplant99

That is not happening. If it was Ward would still be coaching and it would have been a house cleaning this summer from management down through ahl players.

Sutter will not have any part of that and i would imagine it was deeply discussed before he signed to come on board.

Ya I don't think Sutter calls the shots and if that's the case Flames are about to stay mediocre for another 3 or so years.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Then surely he can leave the organization if that's the case.

If the coach of this team dictates what we do with our players and our long-term plan, we are truly in trouble and will almost certainly never compete for the foreseeable future.

He is not dictating anything if he was getting assurances before he was signed,

Not that hard to understand is it? He would not sign unless he could be positive that they wouldnt sell everything off before he had a training camp/full season with the majority of the current roster to work with.

Of course ther will be changes, every team has those every year. But a tear down? Not happening.

I mean...he agreed to come out of retirement for a reason and i have little doubt it had much to do with money.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He is not dictating anything if he was getting assurances before he was signed,

Not that hard to understand is it? He would not sign unless he could be positive that they wouldnt sell everything off before he had a training camp/full season with the majority of the current roster to work with.

Of course ther will be changes, every team has those every year. But a tear down? Not happening.

I mean...he agreed to come out of retirement for a reason and i have little doubt it had much to do with money.

I'm unsure why an organization would tie its long-term strategy to whatever assurances they may or may not have made to a coach, specifically after things have since changed significantly and results are looking as poor as ever.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'm unsure why an organization would tie its long-term strategy to whatever assurances they may or may not have made to a coach, specifically after things have since changed significantly and results are looking as poor as ever.

Huh?

What has changed?

And it isnt "long term strategy"....in fact it is very much short term.

20 more games this year and then next.