Brad Treliving needs to go

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Regardless of what happens to the GM the organization should probably take a good look at what's going on in the pro scouting department as free agency has been pretty abysmal. I think Leivo was worth a shot but who the hell thought Simon would be a good fit?

The pro scouting department needed to be looked at for years. They’ve dropped the ball one too many times. It’s actually kind of sad that the best scouts in the organization sit on the amateur side and because so many of their draft picks have been spent over the years, their performance doesn’t look so great. But they’ve done very well with what they’ve had to work with. I still remember Treliving’s story that he told about the scouts glaring at him at the 2018 draft where I think their first opportunity to pick was in the 4th round.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Regardless of what happens to the GM the organization should probably take a good look at what's going on in the pro scouting department as free agency has been pretty abysmal. I think Leivo was worth a shot but who the hell thought Simon would be a good fit?

Neither matter ... they're essentially league minimum NHL hockey players that can be assigned to the AHL team with no impact on your cap.

Simon was a pretty solid hockey player in Pittsburgh, no offence, but good up and down. He was lost in Calgary.

Any pro scouting review should focus on the bigger fish.

In order all UFA signings ...

Michael Frolik - good signing
Kris Versteeg - good signing
Chad Johnson - good signing
Troy Brouwer - bad signing
Jaromir Jagr - neutral?
James Neal - bad signing
Derek Ryan - good signing
Austin Czarnik - good signing
Tobias Rieder - good signing
Cam Talbot - good signing

I'll leave Markstrom and Tanev out of it. I think both are good signings.

You can't gloss over big mistakes with quantity, but really it's a two UFA issue in Treliving's tenure.

I think the impactful (good and bad) list would be Frolik, Brouwer, Neal, Markstrom and Tanev when it's all said and done.

[GioforPM]

^^ I’d throw Ryan on the list of impactful. All the others were minimal salary/minimal risk

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

His playoff winning percentage doesn’t look too good though. 8-18. That equates to something like a .307 winning percentage. So if regular season winning percentage is taken into account, the playoffs should be accounted for as well.

Well, Sutter had a huge run in 04 obviously. But his winning percentage can’t be great in the POs (when he even made it).

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Neither matter ... they're essentially league minimum NHL hockey players that can be assigned to the AHL team with no impact on your cap.

Simon was a pretty solid hockey player in Pittsburgh, no offence, but good up and down. He was lost in Calgary.

Any pro scouting review should focus on the bigger fish.

In order all UFA signings ...

Michael Frolik - good signing
Kris Versteeg - good signing
Chad Johnson - good signing
Troy Brouwer - bad signing
Jaromir Jagr - neutral?
James Neal - bad signing
Derek Ryan - good signing
Austin Czarnik - good signing
Tobias Rieder - good signing
Cam Talbot - good signing

I'll leave Markstrom and Tanev out of it. I think both are good signings.

You can't gloss over big mistakes with quantity, but really it's a two UFA issue in Treliving's tenure.

I think the impactful (good and bad) list would be Frolik, Brouwer, Neal, Markstrom and Tanev when it's all said and done.

Add Engelland as well.

[Bingo]

Yeah good point guys ...

I forgot the first year so that's Engelland, Hiller and Mason Raymond.

And impact guys probably need to add Ryan and Engelland to the impact list.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah good point guys ...

I forgot the first year so that's Engelland, Hiller and Mason Raymond.

And impact guys probably need to add Ryan and Engelland to the impact list.

I am unsure of how to assess the Hiller signing. It was only two years, he was 32-years-old at the start of the contract, and had solid numbers in his last two years in Anaheim. He provided as much as what could have been expected his first year, and then fell off the map in year-two.

I don't know if it was a good signing, but it most definitely was not a bad one. Was it an impactful signing?

[Strange Brew]

So seems to be holding steady at slightly over 70% of posters with an opinion on the topic think the GM should go.

FWIW I disagree that low dollar FA signings "don't matter". You have so many roster spots and the job is to put a good team out on the ice. It's fine to say they're lower risk but the goal is to actually hit on a few of these.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So seems to be holding steady at slightly over 70% of posters with an opinion on the topic think the GM should go.

FWIW I disagree that low dollar FA signings "don't matter". You have so many roster spots and the job is to put a good team out on the ice. It's fine to say they're lower risk but the goal is to actually hit on a few of these.

I must be reading it wrong...52% think he should be fired...the rest dont think he should or are unsure. No?

23% think he will be.

I thought it would be much higher.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I must be reading it wrong...52% think he should be fired...the rest dont think he should or are unsure. No?

23% think he will be.

I thought it would be much higher.

You are reading the poll correctly.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not my point at all.

I'm saying his principal failure is to not predict something that I don't think many if any on this site predicted either.

If Monahan and Gaudreau are still impact players this team doesn't look remotely like it does today.

Ultimately that's on Treliving, no argument from me at all, but I don't remember a long line of media or fans suggesting this was imminent.

I'm so torn. On the one hand as you say here an elsewhere, there's a lot of good he's done and we can't blame him for a lot of the fall off. Then on the other hand, the 30,000 foot perspective, 7 years and we're not climbing we're crashing... somethings gotta give.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by timbit

You are reading the poll correctly.

That is incorrect.

186 posters have an opinion as to whether he should or shouldn't be fired. 132 of those want him fired.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So seems to be holding steady at slightly over 70% of posters with an opinion on the topic think the GM should go...

Well, no. Being unsure about whether or not Treliving should be fired is an opinion on the topic. In a simple poll like this there is no way to account for the variety of reasons that one might be reluctant to profess certainty one way or the other.

[transplant99]

I see what you are saying now.

Dont count those that are unsure one way or the other from those with decisive opinions.

I still thought it would be way higher.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

That is incorrect.

186 posters have an opinion as to whether he should or shouldn't be fired. 132 of those want him fired.

"Unsure" is an opinion.

[Erick Estrada]

I disagree that Simon and Leivo don’t matter as they were pegged as wingers to play with Monahan and Gaudreau in the top 6 and failed miserably hurting the team in the process. I don’t expect the GM to hit a home run when scavenging free agency for cheap players but these guys weren’t even Chiasson useful.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

"Unsure" is an opinion.

Maybe you should have just simplified it?

Should BT be fired?

Yes or no.

Not that it matters one iota we think.....im still pretty sure he wont be simply because of $$$.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Well, no. Being unsure about whether or not Treliving should be fired is an opinion on the topic. In a simple poll like this there is no way to account for the variety of reasons that one might be reluctant to profess certainty one way or the other.

LOL. Who is talking about reasons? Of the people that expressed a conclusion on whether or not he should be fired, 70% said fire him.

It's exactly the same as a poll that calculates the share of decided voters.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I disagree that Simon and Leivo don’t matter as they were pegged as wingers to play with Monahan and Gaudreau in the top 6 and failed miserably hurting the team in the process. I don’t expect the GM to hit a home run when scavenging free agency for cheap players but these guys weren’t even Chiasson useful.

True but Chaisson makes 3X what those guys do.

Im still confused by Leivo...he looks the part, has some wheels but just cant seemingly find a spot that works.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So seems to be holding steady at slightly over 70% of posters with an opinion on the topic think the GM should go.

FWIW I disagree that low dollar FA signings "don't matter". You have so many roster spots and the job is to put a good team out on the ice. It's fine to say they're lower risk but the goal is to actually hit on a few of these.

You are reading the poll correctly. 133 out of the 189 who have an opinion say he should be fired (70.4%). If it was a proper poll, you would ask the unsure/undecided which way they are leaning. That is why on political polling there are always two answers, one with unsure/undecided in it and one that includes leaders and thus gets rid of the undecided (largely because undecided is not an opinion)