[Signing] Canucks re-sign Demko. 5 years/$25 M (5 M AAV)

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

what do you want to bet? LOL

It's wishful thinking on your part if you think Seattle can get more than a 2nd for a pending UFA goaltender.

I think you are totally missing the point entirely...Seattle doesn't have to do anything they are in the drivers seat.

They can only pick so many goalies, I would want more than a 2nd to waste one on a guy that won't even be in the league much longer


The premise of the argument is MAF cost a 2nd so this is the same and that is where I disagree completely.

MAF at the time of the Vegas draft>>>>>>>Holtby now

its not even close.

Every expansion team ever has prioritized getting good goalies to give them a fighting chance

[Barca]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I think you are totally missing the point entirely...Seattle doesn't have to do anything they are in the drivers seat.

They can only pick so many goalies, I would want more than a 2nd to waste one on a guy that won't even be in the league much longer


The premise of the argument is MAF cost a 2nd so this is the same and that is where I disagree completely.

MAF at the time of the Vegas draft>>>>>>>Holtby now

its not even close.

Every expansion team ever has prioritized getting good goalies to give them a fighting chance

they can steal a young promising goaltender off of a team that have good goaltending depth (ie Minny) and still take a 2nd for a veteran ufa goaltender for a 2nd though.

Holtby still has a name in the league that you could market in Seattle. It's basically a free 2nd to take on a guy with a name.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is hard to take anyone seriously who has not posted in two solid months.

I was in hibernation during the winter and it just so happen the Canucks sucked in Jan and Feb

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Barca

they can steal a young promising goaltender off of a team that have good goaltending depth (ie Minny) and still take a 2nd for a veteran ufa goaltender for a 2nd though.

Holtby still has a name in the league that you could market in Seattle. It's basically a free 2nd to take on a guy with a name.

I would want a vet and and young guy

Holtby would not be that vet, Seattle won't be hurting for picks. If I was the GM it would cost MOAR. I think it does or doesn't happen at all.

Jake Allen plus some young guy...the guy from the Wild available?

Sixth place team won't even play Holtby...not what I am looking for to give my expansion team confidence. And I bet they want to be a playoff team after what Vegas did. (and they might have a shot these expansion rules are ridiculous)

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Barca

they can steal a young promising goaltender off of a team that have good goaltending depth (ie Minny) and still take a 2nd for a veteran ufa goaltender for a 2nd though.

But why not take 2 or 3 young promising goaltenders instead of an old bad one, or even a good veteran on a cheap contract?
They have all of the leverage and Benning isn't exactly a master manipulator.

Originally Posted by Barca

Holtby still has a name in the league that you could market in Seattle. It's basically a free 2nd to take on a guy with a name.

I seriously doubt they would be marketing the team on the back of Holtby. Guaranteed that they get a better player than that. They'll probably end up with a really good goalie and use his name.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Yes, the people who talk the most are always the most informed.

Barca is a troll. The only time he ever posts is when he is feeling bullish about the Canucks.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Holtby is a bit overpaid for what he brings to the table. The Canucks have one more year of cap problems brought on by Benning throwing money at third line players who should be developed in house for cheaper. The Canucks have a lot of bad contracts on the books for the next two years. Baertshi, Eriksson, Rousell, Beagle, Spooner (buyout to get rid of another contract - Gagner).

The question is whether you think that Benning is the best person to sign good quality contracts to replace those players because they haven't drafted much in the way of replacements.

[dcbc]

I think the expectation of Demko being in the top half of the league in performance over the next 5 years is a safe bet. ROI over/under on performance exceeding market value is 2 years. This is a good bet, not a slam dunk, but the upside is substantial. Still surprised they commit $ now considering other circumstances (have to fill a lot of roster spots next year with minimal cap space).

Objectively a level good signing with the potential to be great in years 3, 4, 5.

[ReinhartonD]

I would want to see how he fares without Ian Clark, the goalie whisperer, before I made this kind of commitment. I still think the Flames should inquire about bringing him over once his contract's done in Vancouver this year.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Okay, MAF still had high end stats

Holby not so much

If the resident Canuck fanboys are thanking everything you say it just might be wishful thinking for Canuck fans. Why would Seattle want to do something that a rival would be so happy about? Seattle and Vancouver are going to be huge rivals.

If I were the GM the first thing I would do is try and stick it to them. I will take Jake Allen and not Holtby thanks

I dont want them to get a 2nd for Holtby, next year wont have much cap space anyway, an extra 3 million wont make the difference in anything, so I'd rather keep the 2nd and just wait till after next offseason, without giving up a 2nd, when they will have some space and the really bad contracts off the books

Seattle shouldn't care about helping vancouver though. They are going to take at least 3 goalies and they will need to meet the cap floor. If a 1 year 4m cap hit gets them a 2nd round pick, from team that wont have a great player to choose from that's unprotected anyway, they should take it and run, it helps them.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Singing your own RFA is a lot different than singing a UFA with multiple teams offering

Time will tell...Canucks also have over 9M in goal now

They will next year, for one year.

Calgary has $8.75M themselves this year.


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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They will next year, for one year.

Calgary has $8.75M themselves this year.


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Turns out its over 12M for the Canucks...certainly not ideal

8.75 isn't great either...Flames will want that under 8 next year IMO

[CalgaryFan1988]

Not sure why some are comparing it to Markstrom. Obviously a FA contract is going to be higher than a RFA one.

Some people just like to complain.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I like the deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Turns out its over 12M for the Canucks...certainly not ideal

8.75 isn't great either...Flames will want that under 8 next year IMO

Yeah, Flames can sign a cheap back up next year. Should be easy to me much lower.


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[Kipper_3434]

Remember when we SHOULD have drafted Demko. Say what u want about his body of work but 1 great season of play is all Markstrom had too, and demko is now doing it without Tanev. Yeah markstrom has more experience being mediocre...and look how his performance has been so far. Done with Treliving and his staff. This contract screams bargain imo.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Yeah, Flames can sign a cheap back up next year. Should be easy to me much lower.


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Ah, back to a one goalie team, where you have to ride the top guy because you can’t trust the backup, except that Markstrom is not durable like Kipper

[Strange Brew]

I was thinking this isa bit like the RAsmus deal for Calgary. Locking up a young player for term. But there are a couple of differences.

Rasmus needed to continue to improve from where we was for the deal to be good value. Demko just really needs to keep playing as he is.

But Demko has less track record and goalies are crazy unpredictable.

There is a chance it could be a steal at a critical position.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Remember when we SHOULD have drafted Demko. Say what u want about his body of work but 1 great season of play is all Markstrom had too, and demko is now doing it without Tanev. Yeah markstrom has more experience being mediocre...and look how his performance has been so far. Done with Treliving and his staff. This contract screams bargain imo.

UFA contract vs. RFA

Markstrom had a 7 year deal on the table from Edmonton and probably more offers.

You can't compare these deals at all

[Stud_McCool]

Demko is progressing well, nice contract for the Canucks.

Now he can afford to pay for his own strippers.