Brad Treliving needs to go - Page 84 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Sandman · 03-30-2021, 11:17 PM

Controversial opinion here, but I wanna see what Tre does this offseason before we fire him. If he totally stands pat, the mob can have him....

ForeverFlameFan · 03-30-2021, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman

Controversial opinion here, but I wanna see what Tre does this offseason before we fire him. If he totally stands pat, the mob can have him....

We’ve seen him stand pat many times. We can’t just do nothing and expect different results.

nik- · 03-30-2021, 11:37 PM

I'm not interested in seeing Brad Treliving in "trying to save his job" mode.

Sandman · 03-30-2021, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We’ve seen him stand pat many times. We can’t just do nothing and expect different results.

I totally understand your position, but I don't think he can or will stand pat this time. There will be changes this time.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-31-2021, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not interested in seeing Brad Treliving in "trying to save his job" mode.

Yes, that is important.

If you determine that new leadership is needed, you don’t let the guy who accomplished nothing blow it up.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-31-2021, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman

I totally understand your position, but I don't think he can or will stand pat this time. There will be changes this time.

He has made changes every off season

“This time it will be different. You know I love you, baby. “

Snuffleupagus · 03-31-2021, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

He has made changes every off season

“This time it will be different. You know I love you, baby. “

#realchanges

Brad can/may save his job by ending his experiment that Monahan is a #1 center and getting a real one no matter what the cost. Monahan will likely stay as the 2nd/3rd line center but that's where he belongs.

Sandman · 03-31-2021, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

He has made changes every off season

“This time it will be different. You know I love you, baby. “

He hasn't made any trades that shifted the core. I would like to see that.

TOfan · 03-31-2021, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

#realchanges

Brad can/may save his job by ending his experiment that Monahan is a #1 center and getting a real one no matter what the cost. Monahan will likely stay as the 2nd/3rd line center but that's where he belongs.

‘Get a real No 1 C no matter what the cost’

Seems like a well thought out strategy.

Aarongavey · 03-31-2021, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

#realchanges

Brad can/may save his job by ending his experiment that Monahan is a #1 center and getting a real one no matter what the cost. Monahan will likely stay as the 2nd/3rd line center but that's where he belongs.

Brad only really traded first and second round picks though. The cost to the future of Brad addressing any need would be too great.

Vinny01 · 03-31-2021, 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman

He hasn't made any trades that shifted the core. I would like to see that.

The last time he did that it worked out well for the Flames. Unfortunately he sold high on Hamilton, Ferland and Fox but he is not in the same position with Gaudreau, or Monahan

CliffFletcher · 03-31-2021, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s weird to me that same scouting staff that spotted Derek Ryan, also thought Troy Brouwer and James Neal were good signings.

The underlying numbers of Ryan were effectively the exact opposite of those of Brouwer and Neal.

We need to understand the context of those deals. In both cases, management identified a lack of secondary scoring as a need, and lack of toughness and edge as another. Look at who was available as UFAs in those years and ask who you think would have been better choices to fit those needs. Also consider that Ryan Reaves had accepted an offer from the Flames before the Neal signing was made - which would have made the Neal signing impossible. But Vegas matched, leaving Treliving to move on to plan B (or C).

When GMs make UFA signings or trades they don’t have a menu of every player in the league to choose from. They have a specific need, and a handful of players or partners to choose from to fill that need. It isn’t obvious to me that there were a lot of better options out there to fill those needs at the time.

The bigger issue is that trying to fill out important needs on your roster with UFA signings or picks-for-players trades is usually a sign of impatience and/or a weak prospect pool. Treliving went out and spent a lot of resources to get Brouwer, Hamonic, and Neal because he needed to upgrade the roster now, and there was no help coming from the farm team. He had decided to stake his bets on the Gaudreau-Monahan-Giordano core and rapidly build around it to take a few shots at the Cup before the team had to move on from Gaudreau.

He gambled and lost. But to my mind, the mistake wasn’t so much the deals he made for that gamble, as the fact he felt he needed to gamble and go for it with that core in the first place.

Textcritic · 03-31-2021, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keenan87

Can a mod please add a poll to this thread? I would love to know where everyone sits on keeping or getting rid of Treliving (I assume some are unsure).

How does this look for a poll question with options?

What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
· He should and will be fired
· He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM
· He should not and will not be fired
· He should not but will be fired
· Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired
· Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired

troutman · 03-31-2021, 09:45 AM

The first one

transplant99 · 03-31-2021, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How does this look for a poll question with options?

What will happen to Brad Treliving after the end of the season?
· He should and will be fired
· He should be fired, but will continue as the Flames GM
· He should not and will not be fired
· He should not but will be fired
· Unsure if he should be, but he will be fired
· Unsure if he should be, but he will not be fired

Covers all the real options/opinions....run with it.

Textcritic · 03-31-2021, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troutman

The first one

You are not supposed to vote yet, old man.

Stanley · 03-31-2021, 09:50 AM

Who replaces Tre tho? I feel like ownership will want him to here until his contract is up, unless there's a clear cut replacement option.

Textcritic · 03-31-2021, 10:15 AM

Poll added.

1qqaaz · 03-31-2021, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandman

Controversial opinion here, but I wanna see what Tre does this offseason before we fire him. If he totally stands pat, the mob can have him....

I think the trade deadline will be a good test for Treliving.

Can he get good value for pending UFAs like Ryan and Rittich? Will he get anything good for Bennett?

If so, perhaps he deserves the chance to make the core-changing trades in the offseason.
He has been pretty good with these types of trades.
And it's doubtful that Monny, Tkachuk, Gio, and Johnny will get traded in the next few weeks. More teams would be willing to bite in the offseason, which is when Treliving makes his biggest moves.

Igottago · 03-31-2021, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm not interested in seeing Brad Treliving in "trying to save his job" mode.

I've been pretty big critic of Tre but I just don't see him going off with a bunch of desperate trades. He strikes me as a level headed guy who will do the best he can for the long term health of the team.

That being said, his time with this rebuild has ultimately failed. The results aren't there and culminating in a season like this, I just don't see how you could possibly let the guy continue. Who knows what the Flames will do though. I think there's a very strong chance there's a new GM this offseason.