What would you give up for Eichel?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, I think it's consensus on here that we would be getting Eichel to play with JG. I don't really think it's realistic that we could get Eichel, but I definitely think it's possible to have both on the same team, if that's what you mean.

I don't necessarily think they would ask for Johnny in that trade either.

I give it about a 95% probability next year

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I give it about a 95% probability next year

Re-he-heeeeeeeeaaaaallly? You know something juicy that we don't?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Well, I think it's consensus on here that we would be getting Eichel to play with JG. I don't really think it's realistic that we could get Eichel, but I definitely think it's possible to have both on the same team, if that's what you mean.

I don't necessarily think they would ask for Johnny in that trade either.

I was more thinking it may take assets from a Johnny trade to make it happen. Like others have said though if you trade everyone for Eichel then you are Buffalo...possibly the worst team in NHL history.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I was more thinking it may take assets from a Johnny trade to make it happen. Like others have said though if you trade everyone for Eichel then you are Buffalo...possibly the worst team in NHL history.

Only if you take on a bunch of their junk players and contracts. Eichel would flourish elsewhere.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Re-he-heeeeeeeeaaaaallly? You know something juicy that we don't?

If expecting Winter Olympics to happen as scheduled is juicy, maybe

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I was more thinking it may take assets from a Johnny trade to make it happen. Like others have said though if you trade everyone for Eichel then you are Buffalo...possibly the worst team in NHL history.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Skinner
X-Monahan-Dube
Lucic-Backlund-Bread
Bennett-Ryan-X

Gio-Ras
Hanifin-Tanev
OK-X

Markstrom
Rittich

That’s not the worst team in NHL history - that’s a playoff bubble team at worst, and possibly a comfortable 6-8 seed, with no additions, in 2021.

Health permitting, in Eichel’s case.

[Bonded]

That Skinner contract is so awful that I don't know if it is worth getting Eichel at that point. That is 19 million coming in on two players and not many teams will be able to accommodate, that will seriously hurt Eichel's value. Sabres would be better off trading Eichel separately rather than attaching one of the worst contracts in the league to him.

[ricardodw]

What the heck happened in Buffalo??

The CP analysis had the Flames coveting Taylor Hall at 8M+ for 4 year plus.

Hall has 2 goals so far!!

The names and reputations on the roster do not translate in to the absolute worst team since the 1979 Winnipeg Jets.

Do all the player get devalued because of the overall mess?

Any team taking someone from Buffalo is taking a chance that they might be more of the problem than is apparent from their history.

Eichel is now 24 and it is pretty clear he is not going to be McDavid or even Draisatl. Chances of him being as good as MacKinnon are fading.

[powderjunkie]

Keeping JG seems like a silly 1 yr bet given JE and JM’s injury history.


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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What the heck happened in Buffalo??

The CP analysis had the Flames coveting Taylor Hall at 8M+ for 4 year plus.

Hall has 2 goals so far!!

The names and reputations on the roster do not translate in to the absolute worst team since the 1979 Winnipeg Jets.

Do all the player get devalued because of the overall mess?

Any team taking someone from Buffalo is taking a chance that they might be more of the problem than is apparent from their history.

Eichel is now 24 and it is pretty clear he is not going to be McDavid or even Draisatl. Chances of him being as good as MacKinnon are fading.

The fish rots from the head.

Always.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The fish rots from the head.

Always.

Pegula?

[Sylvanfan]

There is too much of a Olli Jokinen vibe here for my liking. For years many of us Flames fans coveted Olli Jokinen to push the team over the top. Eventually they went and got him albeit a couple years too late, and it really did not work. Today's version of Eichel would cost a lot more to acquire, and with what the team would have left, I don't think he could push them over the top in the next 3 years with what's left.

I think the team needs better centers, and I'll even put Lindholm in the discussion too as he's taken a step back under Daryl Sutter. But I think stock piling other picks and using your own to get that center in the draft is the only way a small market Canadian based team can make it work.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Pegula?

here's a good article from last June about them.

https://thehockeywriters.com/buffalo...ship-problems/

[browntrout]

Whether or not Eichel improves the team is irrelevant, the current core is not good enough to get this team anywhere. This team lacks playmaking centres, not sure anyone would even debate that. Even if it does not work out with Eichel, at least we tried something radical. My only position on a trade is that we should be keeping our first round picks, hard to determine if the team will actually be better considering the amount of gutting to the current roster it would take to get this guy. Besides that anyone on the team, plus prospects should be available

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There is too much of a Olli Jokinen vibe here for my liking. For years many of us Flames fans coveted Olli Jokinen to push the team over the top. Eventually they went and got him albeit a couple years too late, and it really did not work. Today's version of Eichel would cost a lot more to acquire, and with what the team would have left, I don't think he could push them over the top in the next 3 years with what's left.

I think the team needs better centers, and I'll even put Lindholm in the discussion too as he's taken a step back under Daryl Sutter. But I think stock piling other picks and using your own to get that center in the draft is the only way a small market Canadian based team can make it work.

Flames were building a team around Oli Jokinen at the time. It was building around Iggy, Kipper, and Regehr. Oli Jokinen wasn't all that elite in the first place. He was just another center that the Flames thought was a viable solution. Turns out he was just another plug and play type of player that was sort of an oval peg in a round slot. With Eichel, you'll be for sure building a team around him for the next 8+ years.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Whether or not Eichel improves the team is irrelevant, the current core is not good enough to get this team anywhere. This team lacks playmaking centres, not sure anyone would even debate that. Even if it does not work out with Eichel, at least we tried something radical. My only position on a trade is that we should be keeping our first round picks, hard to determine if the team will actually be better considering the amount of gutting to the current roster it would take to get this guy. Besides that anyone on the team, plus prospects should be available

That’s where I’m at. Even if Eichel doesn’t work out, we at least gave it a shot for 5 seasons with him at helm. The core right now is not the core that is going to get us a championship.

I would be very concerned with one thing though: Would Eichel and Sutter get along?

I don’t expect him to re-sign here either. He would be the best center we’ve had in a long time.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

here's a good article from last June about them.

https://thehockeywriters.com/buffalo...ship-problems/

I know the Pegulas are a mess. I was wondering who that poster considered to the be the head (Pegula, or Eichel)?

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There is too much of a Olli Jokinen vibe here for my liking. For years many of us Flames fans coveted Olli Jokinen to push the team over the top. Eventually they went and got him albeit a couple years too late, and it really did not work. Today's version of Eichel would cost a lot more to acquire, and with what the team would have left, I don't think he could push them over the top in the next 3 years with what's left.

I think the team needs better centers, and I'll even put Lindholm in the discussion too as he's taken a step back under Daryl Sutter. But I think stock piling other picks and using your own to get that center in the draft is the only way a small market Canadian based team can make it work.

Jokinen is an interesting comp. It is worth noting that by age 23:

Jokinen 314gp 35G 87P
Eichel 354gp 137G 337P

Jokinen's age 24-28: 327gp, 139G, 304P (or 25-29)

Different eras of course; Jokinen's stats blew up after the lockout.


Those Panther teams were eerily similar to the BUF dumpster fire:
Kozlov, Huselius, Val Bure were the next best forwards.
young Jay Bouwmeester=Dahlin

The Panthers other forwards and D were probably even worse than BUF, but they did have Luongo

[Mathgod]

I would think you only go all-in on Eichel if you think he would be a Flame for at least 8-9 years. Not worth draining your futures for just 5 years of Eichel.

Bringing Skinner here together with Eichel is a bad idea. If things don't work out, you're basically screwed for a decade because of his contract.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I know the Pegulas are a mess. I was wondering who that poster considered to the be the head (Pegula, or Eichel)?



Jokinen is an interesting comp. It is worth noting that by age 23:

Jokinen 314gp 35G 87P
Eichel 354gp 137G 337P

Jokinen's age 24-28: 327gp, 139G, 304P (or 25-29)

Different eras of course; Jokinen's stats blew up after the lockout.


Those Panther teams were eerily similar to the BUF dumpster fire:
Kozlov, Huselius, Val Bure were the next best forwards.
young Jay Bouwmeester=Dahlin

The Panthers other forwards and D were probably even worse than BUF, but they did have Luongo

It’s Pegula all the way. The same way Edmonton’s problems are rooted in Katz, ours are rooted in Murray, etc.

You can’t win with meddlesome owners.

And I will always maintain Olli Jokinen’s decline had far more to do with nearly killing Richard Zednik than anything physical.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There is too much of a Olli Jokinen vibe here for my liking. For years many of us Flames fans coveted Olli Jokinen to push the team over the top. Eventually they went and got him albeit a couple years too late, and it really did not work. Today's version of Eichel would cost a lot more to acquire, and with what the team would have left, I don't think he could push them over the top in the next 3 years with what's left.

I think the team needs better centers, and I'll even put Lindholm in the discussion too as he's taken a step back under Daryl Sutter. But I think stock piling other picks and using your own to get that center in the draft is the only way a small market Canadian based team can make it work.

Jokinen was 30 when the Flames acquired him. Eichel is 24. It's not about him being the missing piece, it's about him being the foundation of the team for the next 9-10 years.