2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You think you would do that? Thank God you are not our GM. That is freakin terrible.

Prepare to be bitterly disappointed in the return for Gaudreau.

[Tkachukwagon]

I dug up Scott Wheeler’s 2021 rankings from the Athletic. Here is what he had to say about Nick Robertson:

1. Nick Robertson, LW, 19 (Toronto Maple Leafs)

Robertson’s got a fascinating, unique skill set. His curl and drag release comes off his blade heavy and can cleanly beat goalies from mid-range. He’s got superb hands and footwork, helping him spin off checks, pull back against pressure, adjust around close-outs, and play under sticks or through feet. And then he’s also got some of the skills needed to complement that package to get the most out of it given his 5-foot-9 frame. He’s fearless in puck pursuit, he doesn’t back down from board battles, and his feet are always moving to stay involved on the forecheck (he can actually occasionally chase the play a little too much) and get open off the puck. And while his diminutive size, good but not explosive skating, and growing injury history will likely limit him from becoming a first-line forward, Robertson’s got clear top-six, power play upside.

[Tkachukwagon]

Personally, I like Carolina’s prospects in a potential Gaudreau trade. Guys like Jarvis, Suzuki, Jake Bean.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Personally, I like Carolina’s prospects in a potential Gaudreau trade. Guys like Jarvis, Suzuki, Jake Bean.

Bean is looking good but needs to be protected in expansion draft so I don’t think we should target guys like him

[blender]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Ugh, really? Can we not get through just one day with out someone jumping up on the virtue signalling soap box? The guy was clearly joking. Maybe not ideal in taste these days, but it's not racist, not misogynistic, and nobody's been hurt. I'm sure people affected personally are probably not so seriously thin skinned or sensitive to see it was attempted humour.

My goodness man, this kind of thing is getting so ridiculous anymore.

It's not "virtue signaling" or "cancel culture" or whatever BS buzz word is in fashion today.

It's simply a matter of exercising good judgment and taste.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Gaudreau has been a PPG guy his entire career. Even on an off year like this season he is on pace for 59 points.

He hasn’t been for some time and his value will reflect that.

59 points for a 1st line players getting all the ice time and premium pp time is what non playoff teams get.

With basically 1 year left on his contract and his reputation as a low compete player especially in the playoffs, no one is valuing him as an 80 point player.

He has value, make no mistake, but it’s not as an elite player.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Prepare to be bitterly disappointed in the return for Gaudreau.

As much as the gloomgang want to see that I am will stay positive he will fetch a good return.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Posting this not as a credible rumor but just b/c it's interesting

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2021/0...traded-to.html

"If this deal is to occur, the Flames would have to retain 50% of Gaudreau's $6.75 million cap hit and possibly take Alex Kerfoot's $3.5 million contract. The Leafs would also have to give up Rasmus Sandin or Nick Robertson, along with an early draft pick."

So let's say Johnny 50% retained for Kerfoot+Robertson+late 1st?

Yes/no.

I think I do that. Kerfoot is a useful player but Robertson is the prize here.

Classic Al Coates "something now something later" deal.

This is interesting, I like Nick Robertson a lot. After his CHL prospect game, I thought he and Kirby Dach were the 2 best players of the night. Couldn’t believe he had dropped down into the 50’s of his draft. I knew he’d be a steal for whichever team drafted him.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Bean is looking good but needs to be protected in expansion draft so I don’t think we should target guys like him

Bean may well replace Hamilton as Carolina’s PP QB if he leaves as a UFA. Likely not available for that reason.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[Bonded]

HF has topic about Konecny being a dirty rat player. Gaudreau for Konency, let's go.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

HF has topic about Konecny being a dirty rat player. Gaudreau for Konency, let's go.

I would be fine with that at this point. Obviously I would rather keep Johnny but I don't think it is in the cards now. We can't blow any trade of Gaudreau, we can't Iginla all over again.

[FranksandBean]

Wondering if there is a deal to be had with Boston around DeBrusk and Studnicka/or a pick? It looks like they can take the full cap or we could retain 50% and sill have the same cap for next year and pick up some asses. If we got both players we could effectively replace both wings for Monahan for this year and next.

[Pickle Juice]

Kind of interesting the rumour board hits 500 on Johnny’s 500th game?? The stars are aligning, today is the day.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Posting this not as a credible rumor but just b/c it's interesting

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2021/0...traded-to.html

"If this deal is to occur, the Flames would have to retain 50% of Gaudreau's $6.75 million cap hit and possibly take Alex Kerfoot's $3.5 million contract. The Leafs would also have to give up Rasmus Sandin or Nick Robertson, along with an early draft pick."

So let's say Johnny 50% retained for Kerfoot+Robertson+late 1st?

Yes/no.

I think I do that. Kerfoot is a useful player but Robertson is the prize here.

Classic Al Coates "something now something later" deal.

I think the valuation is close, but I think the Flames will want something more immediate. I think the Konekny deal is closer to what the Flames will want, a player that has NHL experience and can play in their top 6 now. Question is, is that deal out there?

[Tkachukwagon]

Lowetide on the Athletic posted an article on skilled, unsigned wingers currently playing outside the NHL. Some interesting names on the list, I won’t post the entire article however here are a few:

Rodrigo Abols is a fairly obscure player with a fascinating resume. Drafted by the Vancouver Canucks late in the 2016 draft, he was signed by the Florida Panthers in spring 2019. He is 6-foot-3, 205 pounds and posted a solid if unspectacular rookie season in the AHL 2019-20 (36 games, 7-16-23). Abols spent all of this year with Orebro of the SHL. He posted solid numbers (19-15-34 in 45 games), but in January the Panthers (via PuckPedia) designated him via waivers. He posted a strong SHL season, and with his contract status up in the air, Abols might be an astute free-agent signing.

Denis Alexeyev is a right-handed centre who has been a regular in the KHL for several seasons. At 23, he’s at a perfect age to come to the NHL and will have a large number of suitors. Alexeyev is a fine playmaker, posting 23 assists (and 14 goals) in 58 games for Yaroslavl Lokomotiv in 2020-21. He is solid in the dot, posting a 57.6 percentage in 632 faceoffs. His shooting percentage (16.9) was higher than his career average by three points, so his actual goal-scoring may be shy of what his totals this year imply. Although he plays centre, Alexeyev’s presence on the roster might allow the club to run Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins (should he sign) on the left side.

Jackson Cates is a left-handed centre who was named USHL Forward of the Year in 2018 and has performed well in his three NCAA seasons with Minnesota-Duluth. He has a range of skills (money on the power play, 13 of his 26 goals coming on the man advantage), and his career shot total of 256 in 94 games (2.72 per game) suggests he has been involved in the offence during his time with the Bulldogs. His offensive skills and intelligent play make him an attractive option for the Oilers, although he is from Minnesota and that usually gives American teams the advantage with players who choose to sign a pro contract. Cates has the option of returning for his senior season, but the offers will be there.

[Hackey]

I think the return for Gaudreau will be underwhelming mainly because he only has 1 year left on his deal. Most teams are not going to want to give up top assets for a potential rental. Johnny is a good player but he's 64th in league scoring right now. Small winger who is easily shut down, 64th in scoring, 1 year left to UFA. That's not someone who returns a significant pacakage.

[Poe969]

Having another full year on his contract means he's not a rental. The get another full year of a top 6 winger and they get to negotiate an extension and if that doesn't work, they get to move him at the next deadline. If the Flames retained 50% of his contract, his next team could retain even more.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Posting this not as a credible rumor but just b/c it's interesting

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2021/0...traded-to.html

"If this deal is to occur, the Flames would have to retain 50% of Gaudreau's $6.75 million cap hit and possibly take Alex Kerfoot's $3.5 million contract. The Leafs would also have to give up Rasmus Sandin or Nick Robertson, along with an early draft pick."

So let's say Johnny 50% retained for Kerfoot+Robertson+late 1st?

Yes/no.

I think I do that. Kerfoot is a useful player but Robertson is the prize here.

Classic Al Coates "something now something later" deal.

Have we learned nothing...don't trade the best player in the deal to the Leafs. The above looks a lot like a worse version of the Phaneuf trade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

In what way? Dion was traded for a bunch of veteran aging parts. The above is what the trade should have been like

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Have we learned nothing...don't trade the best player in the deal to the Leafs. The above looks a lot like a worse version of the Phaneuf trade.

It’s time to move on from Gaudreau. It has gone stale. Doesn’t matter which team he is going to, the Flames just need to get the best return that makes their team better. Saying no to the leafs because of trades that happened over 10 and 30 years ago is foolish. If the Flames can pluck another teams best prospect +, that’s something the Flames need to consider.

If you think the Flames are going to trade Gaudreau and end up with a better player in return, well, I hope you’re right but I’m not holding out hope. In this case I think it’s addition by subtraction. Short of the Flames finding a RW who can do the heavy lifting for JG & SM, it’s time to turn the page. Problem is, I think the Flames have been looking for that player for a couple years now and it doesn’t seem to be out there.