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Flamenspiel · 03-25-2021, 08:29 PM

This a good write up: https://flamesnation.ca/2020/08/29/g...u-trade-value/

Things have not really changed since then.

GS Skier · 03-25-2021, 08:35 PM

Just took a look at Sutter's 2012 and 2014 LA Kings rosters. Smallest guy on the team is Justin Williams listed 6'1" 184lbs. 21 players 200lbs or bigger on his rosters. Sutter's Cup Champs were just plain big. We have a lot of big players however not all of them are in that class. We forgot just how big that LA team was. NO small guys at all.

Watching Gaudreau attempt to play "Sutter" hockey is just head shaking. Love the player but no way on earth can he play the physical style Sutter demands along the boards. What ever else happens, the player Johnny has to check IS going to simply walk by him to get where he wanted to go in the first place. All Gaudreau can do is simply poke check and as good as he is at that it ain't Sutter hockey.

Just spit ballin, but I guess my point is Gaudreau is a dynamite talent and I don't think he'll be miss-used here, much longer. I think 3 years of Darryl means JG is likely the trade bait. And he's an All Star when he's in the right environment. The league does so know how good he is and he'd get the best return.

I just think he's the wrong type of player for Sutter regardless of what the coach says.

blender · 03-25-2021, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by N-E-B

If we trade Derek Ryan to the Oilers I might picket outside the Saddledome for Treliving to be fired.

This season has been bad enough, we don’t need to help load the Oilers up for a playoff run.

But, asset management.

blender · 03-25-2021, 11:49 PM

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I don't think they trade for futures unless it is a player who can step in right next season. I expect Gaudreau for Konency and Monahan for Reinhart type of deals first.

Whats the 9m coming back. Does Philly have any cap space?

Lanny_McDonald · 03-26-2021, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GS Skier

Just took a look at Sutter's 2012 and 2014 LA Kings rosters. Smallest guy on the team is Justin Williams listed 6'1" 184lbs. 21 players 200lbs or bigger on his rosters. Sutter's Cup Champs were just plain big. We have a lot of big players however not all of them are in that class. We forgot just how big that LA team was. NO small guys at all.

Watching Gaudreau attempt to play "Sutter" hockey is just head shaking. Love the player but no way on earth can he play the physical style Sutter demands along the boards. What ever else happens, the player Johnny has to check IS going to simply walk by him to get where he wanted to go in the first place. All Gaudreau can do is simply poke check and as good as he is at that it ain't Sutter hockey.

Just spit ballin, but I guess my point is Gaudreau is a dynamite talent and I don't think he'll be miss-used here, much longer. I think 3 years of Darryl means JG is likely the trade bait. And he's an All Star when he's in the right environment. The league does so know how good he is and he'd get the best return.

I just think he's the wrong type of player for Sutter regardless of what the coach says.

I mentioned this exact thing when the discussion was going on about who should be the next Flames coach. This team is way too small to play Sutter hockey. Treliving is going to have to dump a number of players to emulate the Kings or the Flames teams under Sutter. It's going to require a complete overhaul of the organization as our best prospects are all small skilled players. If someone were to look at the assets in the system and then select a coach based on style that fits those assets, Darryl Sutter would never have been in the conversation. It's going be interesting to watch this playout, because the talent in the system is a mismatch to the style of hockey the coach demands. Buckle up!

getoverit · 03-26-2021, 10:13 AM

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Bonded · 03-26-2021, 10:14 AM

If they trade any assets for a rental I will be pissed

genetic_phreek · 03-26-2021, 10:15 AM

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Such a Treliving move. Barf.

ResAlien · 03-26-2021, 10:16 AM

Rumour instead of speculation? GIVE ME MORE

ForeverFlameFan · 03-26-2021, 10:18 AM

Palmieri would’ve been a good acquisition.... a year ago.

Erick Estrada · 03-26-2021, 10:24 AM

As a lifelong fan going back to day one in Calgary this organization has tested my patience numerous times over the decades. Doing something unforgivable like trading away assets for a rental this deadline or something else dumb like protecting Giordano in the expansion draft may finally be the tipping point for me. A fan can only take so much incompetence.

JTech780 · 03-26-2021, 10:29 AM

I just don't see a situation where Monahan brings back a top prospect, we couldn't even get Josh Anderson for Monahan. Look at the return Florida got for Trochek and that's about the value you would get for Monahan right now.

Monahammer · 03-26-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JTech780

I just don't see a situation where Monahan brings back a top prospect, we couldn't even get Josh Anderson for Monahan. Look at the return Florida got for Trochek and that's about the value you would get for Monahan right now.

Not true at all. Monahan is younger, statistically better in every way, and bigger than Trochek.

You have no idea what the parameters of the Anderson trade on our end were. Monahan for Anderson would have been an absolute disaster

Drunk Uncle · 03-26-2021, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As a lifelong fan going back to day one in Calgary this organization has tested my patience numerous times over the decades. Doing something unforgivable like trading away assets for a rental this deadline or something else dumb like protecting Giordano in the expansion draft may finally be the tipping point for me. A fan can only take so much incompetence.

If you remained resilient through the "young guns" era, the Gilmour trade, the St. Louis trade etc, you have what it takes to make through this too... if it happens. I have faith in you!

My guess is, if they are looking at Palmieri, it would be a trade and sign type situation. I can't see it being a pure rental.

Erick Estrada · 03-26-2021, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

My guess is, if they are looking at Palmieri, it would be a trade and sign type situation. I can't see it being a pure rental.

Because signing 30+ year old free agent forwards has worked out so well for Treliving in the past?

colbym72 · 03-26-2021, 10:44 AM

Edit. Wrong thread

Monahammer · 03-26-2021, 10:51 AM

Palmieri for Bennett sounds good but otherwise meh.

ForeverFlameFan · 03-26-2021, 10:54 AM

What kind of forwards would you guys pursue (through trade or signings) that fit Sutter’s style of play? I agree 100% that we have some players that simply don’t fit the system Sutter wants.

Knut · 03-26-2021, 10:55 AM

Treliving could have been looking at this two weeks ago. Now, maybe not.

JTech780 · 03-26-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not true at all. Monahan is younger, statistically better in every way, and bigger than Trochek.

You have no idea what the parameters of the Anderson trade on our end were. Monahan for Anderson would have been an absolute disaster

Trochek was the same age as Monahan is now at the time of the trade and is making $2m less a season. They aren't that different statistically, especially the year and a half to two years leading up to the trade (or proposed trade).