[Rumour] Sean Monahan is playing injured

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

WAS a 30/30 player.
Hasn't been that player for about 130 regular season games and 15 playoff/play-in games.

How many games does it take in your opinion before a slump in form becomes a drop in form?
Another 50? 100? 200? How long are you prepared to wait?

By this measure, Gio is still a Norris trophy defenceman too.
We really should have kept Jagr, guy had 1921 career points!
Troy Brower was a 20/20 guy for about 7 straight seasons, should have kept him too, he'd return to form eventually.

As a rule, you wait longer with 26 year old players than 32 year old ones, and 38 year old ones etc.

Monahan had 8 points in 10 playoff games, leading me to believe if he’d played 82, he probably would’ve Produced at least that down the stretch - making him a 56 point player at worst.

The guy is a career 0.75 PPG player. He’s at 0.65 this year. He was at 0.68 last year.

Yes the trend is concerning.

It doesn’t make him a garbage player - he’s a home grown talent who’s scored more goals than anyone in his draft, including MacKinnon.

That’s not nothing.

Trade him. Fine. I’m trading him in the package for Eichel.

But he’s a quality player who’s done as much as one could reasonably Ask from the 4th centre taken in 2013.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

People forget that Monahan's office is right in the slot, in the area where players with out the puck take a beating the whole game. Anyone who has stood in front of the net knows that its all crosschecks all the time.

Matthew Tkachuk takes a beating in front of the net. Sean Monahan tries to get open in the slot, so he definitely takes less damage then Matthew who is exclusively a screen/tip guy.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Matthew Tkachuk takes a beating in front of the net. Sean Monahan tries to get open in the slot, so he definitely takes less damage then Matthew who is exclusively a screen/tip guy.

I think they both take their share of punishment. Monahan needs surgery every summer, he’s not escaping unscathed.

[FanIn80]

Jesus. Monahan starts his career with 7 straight seasons of 20-30 goals, but at the ripe old age of 26 he might finally not hit 20... and so now he's just hot garbage.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I’m trading him in the package for Eichel.

We're not getting Eichel. Move on. You're setting yourself up for some real disappointment.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by New Era

We're not getting Eichel. Move on. You're setting yourself up for some real disappointment.

Well, someone is. It just seems stupid to not acquire that player because of something as silly as cost. Everything that we’d give up we could replace within three years, likely sooner, with a capable GM.

Brad Treliving has added one true top six forward to this group outside the draft since he’s been here.

How is that possible?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I think they both take their share of punishment. Monahan needs surgery every summer, he’s not escaping unscathed.

To be honest, I didn’t think Monahan was anything special even before his surgeries. I see exactly what the Toronto scout sees. A player that kind of struggles to be a difference maker on both ends of the ice.

The Flames needed either Bennett or Monahan to become a Mark Scheifele and neither of them (especially the former) became that play driving center that can lead his team in points/scoring every year. That’s a big reason we’ve been stuck in the middle of the west over the past decade which was dominated by the likes of Kopitar, Toews, Getzlaf, Thornton and etc. Now this next decade is shaping up to be Mackinnon vs McDavid vs Scheifele.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well, someone is. It just seems stupid to not acquire that player because of something as silly as cost. Everything that we’d give up we could replace within three years, likely sooner, with a capable GM.

Brad Treliving has added one true top six forward to this group outside the draft since he’s been here.

How is that possible?

Because top six players rarely change teams. And no, it's not easy to replace these players in three years. You're delusional. You don't replace top line players in three short years. Budgets are tight and prospects take time to develop. Treliving has been here for six and like you mentioned, added a single top six player. It is not an easy thing to do for any team, and even harder for the Canadian teams outside Toronto.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well, someone is. It just seems stupid to not acquire that player because of something as silly as cost. Everything that we’d give up we could replace within three years, likely sooner, with a capable GM.

Brad Treliving has added one true top six forward to this group outside the draft since he’s been here.

How is that possible?

Because his pro scouting is whack. He spun a wheel and it landed on Troy Brouwer, James Neal and Curtis Lazar. Then he finally nabbed Elias Lindholm and he out right stole the job from James Neal. Still not sure exactly where they thought Lindholm was suppose to slot when they acquired him. Was he supposed to be a center or was he always destined to be with Monahan and Gaudreau. If that was the case, then that begs the question: where was James Neal supposed to go?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As a rule, you wait longer with 26 year old players than 32 year old ones, and 38 year old ones etc.

Monahan had 8 points in 10 playoff games, leading me to believe if he’d played 82, he probably would’ve Produced at least that down the stretch - making him a 56 point player at worst.

The guy is a career 0.75 PPG player. He’s at 0.65 this year. He was at 0.68 last year.

Yes the trend is concerning.

It doesn’t make him a garbage player - he’s a home grown talent who’s scored more goals than anyone in his draft, including MacKinnon.

That’s not nothing.

Trade him. Fine. I’m trading him in the package for Eichel.

But he’s a quality player who’s done as much as one could reasonably Ask from the 4th centre taken in 2013.

Show me a first line with players scoring 55- 60 points when they get premium ice time and all the pp time and you are looking at a team not making the playoffs.

Monny is not leading a package for Eichel. His downward trend likely makes his past better seasons largely irrelevant now.

He’ll have to prove himself healthy and productive first.

I think many of us hoped that after last season, a very productive season out of Johnny and Monny would make for better trade value. The opposite has happened.


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[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Because his pro scouting is whack. He spun a wheel and it landed on Troy Brouwer, James Neal and Curtis Lazar. Then he finally nabbed Elias Lindholm and he out right stole the job from James Neal. Still not sure exactly where they thought Lindholm was suppose to slot when they acquired him. Was he supposed to be a center or was he always destined to be with Monahan and Gaudreau. If that was the case, then that begs the question: where was James Neal supposed to go?

From what was said during Flames telecasts Neal was to play with Gaudreau and Monahan, but Neal couldn't score and Lindholm

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

From what was said during Flames telecasts Neal was to play with Gaudreau and Monahan, but Neal couldn't score and Lindholm

That’s what I figured, but from day 1, Lindholm was playing with Monahan and Gaudreau. I have a feeling that was the coach’s call to play Lindholm on the top line because they probably saw line rushes in training camp and realized he was the better fit.

Neal looked pretty awful with Gaudreau and Monahan anyway. Guess it’s just another strike for the pro scouts who goofed it up royally with the Troy Brouwer signing.

[tvp2003]

I want to say Neal had one practice with 13 and 23, but then Lindholm was moved onto that line in training camp, partly because Monahan was still recovering from wrist surgery (!) and couldn't yet take faceoffs.

Here's the PGT from the first preseason game in China -- it seems like a decade ago: https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=169905

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

As a rule, you wait longer with 26 year old players than 32 year old ones, and 38 year old ones etc.

Monahan had 8 points in 10 playoff games, leading me to believe if he’d played 82, he probably would’ve Produced at least that down the stretch - making him a 56 point player at worst.

The guy is a career 0.75 PPG player. He’s at 0.65 this year. He was at 0.68 last year.

Yes the trend is concerning.

It doesn’t make him a garbage player - he’s a home grown talent who’s scored more goals than anyone in his draft, including MacKinnon.

That’s not nothing.

Trade him. Fine. I’m trading him in the package for Eichel.

But he’s a quality player who’s done as much as one could reasonably Ask from the 4th centre taken in 2013.

I never said he's garbage.
His career stats are great for his draft class and he has performed well for the Flames for years.

However the mental aerobics his defenders use to excuse his drop in play is exhausting and never afforded to other players, that's the only point I'm making.

Every other player gets criticism for their recent form but there's a sector of Monahan fans who only want to talk about his career stats, overall averages & draft class position.
All of which means nothing for his contributions to this team now or moving forward.

The same people who defend Monahan to the death are ready to trade Tkachuk for 30 bad games, but have every excuse for Monahan’s 130.