Brad Treliving Trade History

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Which insiders? The ones we laugh about all the time because they don't know anything?

Why was Ottawa in talks with Treliving till last minute when he was "so clearly" trying to make a deal for a rental? Obviously they would not continue since other team's offers, ones that were not seeing it as a rental, would have blown his away. This took weeks too, there were no last minute surprises on what Stone was going to do. In fact, these same insiders said that Stone was going to sign with whatever team trades for him.

Anyways, none of us were in the room so we can't say for sure. But to me the fact that the talks lasted that long indicates that Stone wasnt a rental.

Ar you deliberately misreading these posts? Treliving wasn’t pursuing Stone as a rental. He got out when it was clear Stone would only be a rental in Calgary, and the price was too high for that.

https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-st...trade-details/

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ar you deliberately misreading these posts? Treliving wasn’t pursuing Stone as a rental. He got out when it was clear Stone would only be a rental in Calgary, and the price was too high for that.

https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-st...trade-details/

It’s the most frustrating ongoing take for me. Treliving has said countless times he’s not interested in rentals. He wasn’t going to get he most expensive rental of all time. He was interested in signing him, that’s it. Nothing less.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ar you deliberately misreading these posts? Treliving wasn’t pursuing Stone as a rental. He got out when it was clear Stone would only be a rental in Calgary, and the price was too high for that.

https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-st...trade-details/

Of course he wasn't. I said that Treliving was looking to sign him. And that he knew that Stone would sign. You keep saying he wasn't going to sign here. So you must believe that Tre was offering up a huge price for a rental.

If he was told that Stone wasn't going to sign here, the talks would have ended a week prior to the TD. No?

Unless you think Vegas swooped in last minute and made the largest deal of the franchise in an hour or so.

[Jiri Hrdina]

It was in Ottawa's best interest to keep multiple teams on the hook. Much like what happened with Iginla, if it had been made clear to other teams that Stone was only going to sign in Vegas, than the market would evaporate and lower the return. Adam Fox (for Carolina) and Tom Erixon are other examples where the return was impacted by the clarity that the player was only going to sign in one place.
It's a situation where everyone has a different outcome that isn't aligned

Mark Stone wants to sign in Vegas
Ottawa wants to maximize their return
The other teams want to minimize what they have to pay to get the player and be confident they can sign him

Because those motivations are not aligned, we should not expect that the parties involved were being completely truthful with each other.

BT would have stayed involved hoping he could acquire the player and sign him - even as it starting to become clear that wasn't the case. But I can't imagine at any point Ottawa would have said "Yeah you know what Brad - he has no interest in signing with you - so you might as well bow out".

Doesn't make sense.

[Red]

But the Flames werent the only other team in talks. There were others that could have been used as leverage.

And frankly, if Treliving really didn't think he could sign Stone, he would either drop out earlier or his offer would have reflected that in which case he would have been told to look elsewhere. Ottawa wouldn't waste their time on him. Lets not forget, this went to the wire.
Tre must have offered a lot to stay in the conversation. So the question is, was he willing to do that for a potential rental or did he know Stone had no issues signing with Calgary.
Knowing him, it's hard to believe he'd risk that on a rental.

Should also add the Michael factor. Guys talk, hard to dismiss that connection.

Anyways, crying over spilled milk here. Point is, Treliving had plenty of chances to improve this team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Of course he wasn't. I said that Treliving was looking to sign him. And that he knew that Stone would sign. You keep saying he wasn't going to sign here. So you must believe that Tre was offering up a huge price for a rental.

If he was told that Stone wasn't going to sign here, the talks would have ended a week prior to the TD. No?

Unless you think Vegas swooped in last minute and made the largest deal of the franchise in an hour or so.

Please pay attention. Treliving of course thought he could sign him. Until he found out he couldn’t, which was the Monday before the deadline IIRC. So then he was out. He wasn’t paying a huge price for a rental. Quite the opposite - he refused to do so.

And it was never Ottawa that told Treliving that. It was Stone and his agent refusing to commit to making any agreement by the Monday. Whereas Vegas spoke to him, got their terms agreed to, and then signed off on the deal with Ottawa.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Right. That's what this comes down to. BT wasn't willing to pay the price to acquire the player b/c he wasn't confident he could sign him.
Ottawa would have kept every team they could on the hook to max the return
BT would have stayed in until it was 100% that Stone wouldn't sign.

The deadline was a pinch point so all of this would have gone down to the final days/minutes. No surprise.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Please pay attention. Treliving of course thought he could sign him. Until he found out he couldn’t, which was the Monday before the deadline IIRC. So then he was out. He wasn’t paying a huge price for a rental. Quite the opposite - he refused to do so.

Please pay attention. He was in on the deal till the end. He did not drop out a day earlier.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Please pay attention. He was in on the deal till the end. He did not drop out a day earlier.

Go read the article. They were out Sunday night and announced they were out on Monday. Which means they were out the day before. Like I said.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Right. That's what this comes down to. BT wasn't willing to pay the price to acquire the player b/c he wasn't confident he could sign him.
Ottawa would have kept every team they could on the hook to max the return
BT would have stayed in until it was 100% that Stone wouldn't sign.

The deadline was a pinch point so all of this would have gone down to the final days/minutes. No surprise.

Wasn't it that the Senators wanted Valimaki in the deal and it was a deal breaker for Treliving? In retrospect it may have been worth it to make that deal if Stone would have committed as it would have filled the massive hole in the top 6 but if he wouldn't commit at the time of the trade I understand why Treliving wouldn't make that deal.

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Go read the article. They were out Sunday night and announced they were out on Monday. Which means they were out the day before. Like I said.

Ya and I listened on the radio as they were updating this as it was happening. I guess there is more to it that the article would have you believe.
What Treliving says after holds little value. It's all lip service. Just like players saying that they only wanted to sign with the team they just signed for 5 minutes earlier.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wasn't it that the Senators wanted Valimaki in the deal and it was a deal breaker for Treliving? In retrospect it may have been worth it to make that deal if Stone would have committed as it would have filled the massive hole in the top 6 but if he wouldn't commit at the time of the trade I understand why Treliving wouldn't make that deal.

Yes I believe so.
And for a rental only, if Stone wouldn't sign, I agree still was the right call to pass.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wasn't it that the Senators wanted Valimaki in the deal and it was a deal breaker for Treliving? In retrospect it may have been worth it to make that deal if Stone would have committed as it would have filled the massive hole in the top 6 but if he wouldn't commit at the time of the trade I understand why Treliving wouldn't make that deal.

Yes. They got outbid with Brunnstrom and some guy that played a few games for Ottawa and is out of the league now. Forgot his name.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Red

Ya and I listened on the radio as they were updating this as it was happening. I guess there is more to it that the article would have you believe.
What Treliving says after holds little value. It's all lip service. Just like players saying that they only wanted to sign with the team they just signed for 5 minutes earlier.

So just so we are clear you are basically only willing to accept information that supports your view and dismissing information that doesn't.
We all do that.
But that's clearly what's happening here.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So just so we are clear you are basically only willing to accept information that supports your view and dismissing information that doesn't.
We all do that.
But that's clearly what's happening here.

Sure, if it makes sense. I already explained why it was unlikely for your version of events to have happened. You can dismiss it and move on.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Ar you deliberately misreading these posts? Treliving wasn’t pursuing Stone as a rental. He got out when it was clear Stone would only be a rental in Calgary, and the price was too high for that.

https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-st...trade-details/

Sorry, this doesn't count. Facebook tells me this is the fake hockey news.

[redmile04]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Wat?


If that deal worked out, that's a steal.

keyword: IF

And is that not every deal lol?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Red

Ya and I listened on the radio as they were updating this as it was happening. I guess there is more to it that the article would have you believe.
What Treliving says after holds little value. It's all lip service. Just like players saying that they only wanted to sign with the team they just signed for 5 minutes earlier.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1721020

“Per multiple reports, the Flames were deeply interested in Stone, but an extension was essential to the deal.”
https://thehockeywriters.com/calgary...estern-rivals/

[Red]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1721020

“Per multiple reports, the Flames were deeply interested in Stone, but an extension was essential to the deal.”
https://thehockeywriters.com/calgary...estern-rivals/

Well ya, of course an extension was crucial. It was as crucial for Vegas. It's why they needed that assurance before making the deal.
Is it not possible that Treliving had some preliminary talks about what $$$ Stone was looking for and decided not to pursue? Is it possible that Tre mad an offer that Stone didn't care for and ended the deal?

Vegas made an aggressive move and got it done. Treliving didn't. Why? Too expensive a price to trade for? Too much money to sign him? Combination of both?

[AC]

Or, as Stone has said multiple times since, he was only interested in signing with Vegas.