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Winsor_Pilates · 03-24-2021, 04:56 PM

I really don't get this.
He plays all the time and has barely been out of the lineup, but he's always injured, every season?

Something doesn't add up.
Either the injuries aren't that serious, or he's playing through the same nagging thing every season and really needs to get it dealt with.
I'm sure the team would enforce him to do that at some point if it was actually serious.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 04:59 PM

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Nothing worse than advanced stats nerds. If you want to believe Monahan is in the bottom 5th percentile of the league defensively, and argue it based on some dudes model, where replacement value is set and not calculated, giver.

Keep the baseball stats out of hockey, and go watch Moneyball again.

I think if your first post is attacking the poster instead of the argument you’ve sort of lost the plot and don’t really have anything to backup your beliefs

Also if you think tracking o-zone starts is advanced or nerdy in any way I can’t help you

Textcritic · 03-24-2021, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I really don't get this.
He plays all the time and has barely been out of the lineup, but he's always injured, every season?

Something doesn't add up.
Either the injuries aren't that serious, or he's playing through the same nagging thing every season and really needs to get it dealt with.
I'm sure the team would enforce him to do that at some point if it was actually serious.

Or, maybe Monahan is concealing his injuries. Or maybe some injuries just don't heal completely.

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neo45 · 03-24-2021, 05:04 PM

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He doesn’t face weak competition, he gets line matched a ton. And his role has been, except when Lindholm was on his line, centring actual terrible defensive players.

But don’t listen to me, watch what Sutter does with him.

This season he has faced the weakest competition amongst the top 9 forwards and has also had the highest % of o-zone starts, which isn’t a huge issue in itself but the fact that he is getting outplayed with this sweetheart usage is the problem. In the past the the competition has been harder for him but the zone starts roughly the same

Winsor_Pilates · 03-24-2021, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Or, maybe Monahan is concealing his injuries. Or maybe some injuries just don't heal completely.

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Concealing from the media and fans, sure.
He's not concealing an injury from the team and physios over 100 games with an extreme dropoff in performance. This is the big leagues.

Bonded · 03-24-2021, 05:26 PM

Shut him down. Season is done

madmike · 03-24-2021, 05:30 PM

Isn’t this a rumour pretty much every season? If the guy is hurt all the time then he really shouldn’t be playing. At this point I hope he’s shot out of a cannon along with Gaudreau. Just dump him off on someone in the offseason.

tvp2003 · 03-24-2021, 05:32 PM

Are we sure there aren’t more guys playing injured? Like maybe half the team?

Mindtravellee · 03-24-2021, 09:21 PM

Is this a regular thing in the NHL to allow injured players to play? Seems weird

SuperMatt18 · 03-24-2021, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

This season he has faced the weakest competition amongst the top 9 forwards and has also had the highest % of o-zone starts, which isn’t a huge issue in itself but the fact that he is getting outplayed with this sweetheart usage is the problem. In the past the the competition has been harder for him but the zone starts roughly the same

Where are you seeing the quality of competition.

Looking at who he plays against the most he’s generally playing against other teams top 6.

Red · 03-24-2021, 09:34 PM

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Where are you seeing the quality of competition.

Looking at who he plays against the most he’s generally playing against other teams top 6.

You may be right, but lately I noticed him playing against teams 4th lines. Perhaps it's not a trend but then again, you dont see him vs McDavid, Matthews or Schiffele etc.

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 09:36 PM

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You may be right, but lately I noticed him playing against teams 4th lines. Perhaps it's not a trend but then again, you dont see him vs McDavid, Matthews or Schiffele etc.

He was out against Matthews constantly in the last two TO outings. On the road but Sutter had to know that giving him d zone FOs would lead to that matchup.

cannon7 · 03-24-2021, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Or, maybe Monahan is concealing his injuries. Or maybe some injuries just don't heal completely.

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Or maybe these rumblings of him playing hurt only come out when he is playing like crap?

Textcritic · 03-24-2021, 09:40 PM

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Or maybe these rumblings of him playing hurt only come out when he is playing like crap?

Or maybe it's voodoo?

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Red · 03-24-2021, 09:41 PM

Injured or not. I would like to see the end of Monahan in Calgary. Need a C that carries the play and skates well. The league is getting too fast for guys like Monahan.

BaconGuy · 03-24-2021, 10:13 PM

I think it’s fair to say that injuries have contributed to Monahan’s willingness to get into the dirty areas. Whether he is hurt now or not, he no longer is as engaged in the battle areas and his stats are suffering for it.

If your not going to shut him down, at least move him away from Johnny. Johnny’s game is so reliant on a quick trigger centre from his wing that neither are effective.

I think we have already seen the best monahan has to offer, he might be better suited in a shutdown center type role to extend his career

Jason14h · 03-24-2021, 10:31 PM

Monahan has a wonky back and shoulder. This isnt news

These also don't really heal.

Did you see our two games without him in the lineup vs Edmonton? Outscored 10-1

As much as we can say "Just don't play him if hurt" he sees how bad we are when hes out. This team has no depth.

It doesnt excuse his poor play. But many a NHL player has seen their production plummet over the years because of injuries. Every body only has so many miles until it goes into the crapper.

Squirrel · 03-24-2021, 10:53 PM

If it really is an injury then take time off and heal properly because he is not helphing the team.
This always seems to come up as an excuse, after the fact, that deflects from him having a drop off in play each of the last few seasons.

Assuming he actually is injured again, he is either injury-prone or not tough enough because he doesn't play a real physical game that would lend itself to frequent injuries.
Either way, whatever the case, time to move on from Monny.

MillerTime GFG · 03-24-2021, 11:01 PM

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Not directed at you but the general idea Idea that Monny plays with no heart is absolutely absurd. In fact his will to compete DESPITE having (from memory) injuries to his wrists, ribs, groin
And others at great peril to his longevity says otherwise.

This guy gives it all for this franchise.

Let's not forget that Backlund many moons prior went through the same injury cycle before finally getting and staying healthy for long stretches of time.

The problem is, the Flames don't really have the center depth to give Monahan the games off to heal up.

Sucks, but he's a true warrior for this Organization.

Yea, I disagree.

Does his injury negate him from skating hard? From playing with passion? A pulse? I’m not saying he doesn’t have an injury, but to call him a “warrior for this franchise”? Our definitions of “warrior” are different. When has #23 ever proven that when an important game is on the line, he’ll be the one to hop over the boards and make things happen? To go through someone to score the GWG.

And if his injury does prevent him from doing these things, and results in him playing this way? Then he shouldn’t be playing; I don’t care what our depth is.

We need actual warriors that can elevate their game when it matters. We currently have zero of those players.

TheKiprusoffResurrection · 03-25-2021, 04:51 AM

Injuries or no injuries, this guy does NOT have what it takes to win. Period.

When the going gets tough, Sean Monahan gets going....in the opposite direction.

Some of the takes in this thread are hilarious, though some of you would do well to turn down the homerism a couple of notches. We all watch him play and have for years, you're not fooling anyone. If Monahan is a "warrior" then so is every single NHL player.