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GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Monahan has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire league going back three seasons before this.

Has he been injured for four straight seasons? Or is our a top center and alternate captainjust a very one dimensional and flawed player? It’s a tough thing to admit but it’s true

Not even the worst defensive player on his line.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

What a bunch of BS. Monahan ain’t lazy.

That’s a very detailed counterpoint, but If he isn’t lazy then why is he consistently one of the worst players in the entire league? Take a look at his player card and explain how he isn’t the biggest structural flaw in this team:

https://twitter.com/jfreshhockey/sta...882614784?s=21

Our “top” center is the worst defensive player on the team and has been that for 5 years. And now he can’t score 5on5

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not even the worst defensive player on his line.

Easily disproven

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league.

CroFlames · 03-24-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Monahan has been one of the worst defensive players in the entire league going back three seasons before this.

Has he been injured for four straight seasons? Or is our a top center and alternate captainjust a very one dimensional and flawed player? It’s a tough thing to admit but it’s true

Literally everyone is a flawed player except Sidney Crosby.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 03:59 PM

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Literally everyone is a flawed player except Sidney Crosby.

But having your highest paid center as a deeply flawed one dimensional player who can’t create his own offense is an unfortunate reality we find ourselves in now

FlamesAddiction · 03-24-2021, 04:01 PM

If it's his wrist again, it would explain why he doesn't seem to be shooting the puck well lately.

If that is the case, just pull him from the line-up to let it heal and give someone else a chance. His hesitant play was on full display the other night.

Macindoc · 03-24-2021, 04:07 PM

A wrist injury from being constantly whacked in front of the neck would result in weak board play, poor draws and a weak shot. Which is exactly what we have been seeing. Why not LTIR him for the rest of the season and get it fixed now? At least then you can trade him in the off-season, and for now, you can trade for someone who can fill in for him and make an impact.

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Easily disproven

He’s one of the worst defensive players in the league.

So disprove it, without a single Twitter image. keep in mind his role.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 04:12 PM

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So disprove it, without a single Twitter image. keep in mind his role.

I don’t think you fully understand what the Twitter image shows so look into that and then explain how being worse defensively than 98% of the league (!!!) over a massive sample size of 4 seasons isn’t a terrible terrible thing

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 04:15 PM

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I don’t think you fully understand what the Twitter image shows so look into that and then explain how being worse defensively than 98% of the league (!!!) over a massive sample size of 4 seasons isn’t a terrible terrible thing

I understand it. It’s not persuasive. WAR is a terrible tool.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 04:22 PM

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I understand it. It’s not persuasive. WAR is a terrible tool.

I don’t think there’s a tool that will tell you he is good defensively outside of wishful thinking or over-valuing face off wins (which he can’t seem to do anymore anyways)

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 04:24 PM

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I don’t think there’s a tool that will tell you he is good defensively outside of wishful thinking or over-valuing face off wins (which he can’t seem to do anymore anyways)

Who said “good”? I said not one of the worst in the league, not on the team, nor on his line.

Red · 03-24-2021, 04:27 PM

Monahan is a very flawed player. Can we leave it at that?

And now he appears to be injury prone. Although he is taking a regular shift and is on the Pk so maybe the injury isn't as bad as some here assume.

Textcritic · 03-24-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Who said “good”? I said one of the worst in the league, not on the team, nor on his line.

And you were just repeating this goof. He's the one who said Monahan was one of the worst in the entire League.

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GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 04:28 PM

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And you were just repeating this goof. He's the one who said Monahan was one of the worst in the entire League.

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Yes, I missed a “not”. Fixed.

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 04:37 PM

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And you were just repeating this goof. He's the one who said Monahan was one of the worst in the entire League.

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And the sad reality is that he is among the worst in the entire league over a massive sample size and it’s gotten even worse this season

Claiming other wise without backing it up with anything sounds a lot like denial or homerism to me

neo45 · 03-24-2021, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

So disprove it, without a single Twitter image. keep in mind his role.

In terms of his role it’s important to point out:

- faces weak competition
- gets heavy o-zone starts
- still gets badly out played 5v5

So what about “his role” am I not understanding here? He isn’t doing any of the heavy lifting on this team

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

In terms of his role it’s important to point out:

- faces weak competition
- gets heavy o-zone starts
- still gets badly out played 5v5

So what about “his role” am I not understanding here? He isn’t doing any of the heavy lifting on this team

He doesn’t face weak competition, he gets line matched a ton. And his role has been, except when Lindholm was on his line, centring actual terrible defensive players.

But don’t listen to me, watch what Sutter does with him.

Flacker · 03-24-2021, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

In terms of his role it’s important to point out:

- faces weak competition
- gets heavy o-zone starts
- still gets badly out played 5v5

So what about “his role” am I not understanding here? He isn’t doing any of the heavy lifting on this team

Nothing worse than advanced stats nerds. If you want to believe Monahan is in the bottom 5th percentile of the league defensively, and argue it based on some dudes model, where replacement value is set and not calculated, giver.

Keep the baseball stats out of hockey, and go watch Moneyball again.

Flame On · 03-24-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

In terms of his role it’s important to point out:

- faces weak competition
- gets heavy o-zone starts
- still gets badly out played 5v5

So what about “his role” am I not understanding here? He isn’t doing any of the heavy lifting on this team

You're not understanding there's a certain element who would run Patrick Kane out of town cause they're small, and blame him that doesn't attempt to go into the corner with Zedeno Chara. Plus you have mild mannered team mates that won't (at least over the past few years) stick up for someone like Johnny and convince opposing teams he isn't to be touched.
So they automatically think that mediocre (once much better) players; because once in a while they do something slightly defensive, are ten times better. IMO