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Bonded · 03-24-2021, 09:56 AM

Wow, Dvorak is getting way overvalued here in my opinion.
He is having a bit of a breakout year but he is Arizona's version of Bennett. I wouldn't include any top prospects or Monahan in a proposal for him.

Vinny01 · 03-24-2021, 09:56 AM

Monahan for Dvorak
Bennett for Debrusk
Gaudreau for Konecny.

GreenLantern2814 · 03-24-2021, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan for Dvorak
Bennett for Debrusk
Gaudreau for Konecny.

We’re giving up the clear best player in at least 2/3 deals.

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 10:01 AM

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We’re giving up the clear best player in at least 2/3 deals.

The contract differences between Gaudreau and Konecny can’t be overstated. And TK has a pretty good PPG comparison over the last two seasons. I watched him last night - he was pretty good in a losing effort.

Vinny01 · 03-24-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

We’re giving up the clear best player in at least 2/3 deals.

I would like a + in the Arizona deal but am okay straight up for the other 2. Konecny makes a ton of sense for the Flames now that they made the change to Sutter. They are not rebuilding and need a player that better fits his style.

Monahammer · 03-24-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Dvorak for Bennett is a wash, so sure and I like Konecny for Gaudreau but failing to see the value in swapping Monahan for DeBrusk.

Lol try again though- Dvorak for Bennett is not at all a wash. Dvorak is way more productive and way less of a defensive burden; no way they make that trade. If im not mistaken, the poster is suggesting something like:

Gaudreau for Konecny
Bennett for Debrusk (actually still good value for us- bennett is terrible)
then Dvorak + for Monahan? but I think we lose this personally.

Bonded · 03-24-2021, 10:05 AM

Yup, Monahan for Dvorak is awful

Vinny01 · 03-24-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Wow, Dvorak is getting way overvalued here in my opinion.
He is having a bit of a breakout year but he is Arizona's version of Bennett. I wouldn't include any top prospects or Monahan in a proposal for him.

He puts up a lot more points than Bennett though.

Bonded · 03-24-2021, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol try again though- Dvorak for Bennett is not at all a wash. Dvorak is way more productive and way less of a defensive burden

Way more productive is a bit of a misnomer.

Spoiler!

ComixZone · 03-24-2021, 10:22 AM

To Calgary: Anton Lundell
To Florida: Sean Monahan

Then just call it a day. Florida is after a centre (reported by FourthPeriod). Flames can close the Monahan era, and start with 6.375M of new cap space and a young promising centre.

Vinny01 · 03-24-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

To Calgary: Anton Lundell
To Florida: Sean Monahan

Then just call it a day. Florida is after a centre (reported by FourthPeriod). Flames can close the Monahan era, and start with 6.375M of new cap space and a young promising centre.

That would be a deal I would gladly get behind.

Tkachukwagon · 03-24-2021, 10:24 AM

Just spitballing here, but I wonder if Florida loads up for a run this year. They have some good prospects (Lundell, Tippett) and a bit of cap space. They could also package Connelly in a cap dump move.

Tkachukwagon · 03-24-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

To Calgary: Anton Lundell
To Florida: Sean Monahan

Then just call it a day. Florida is after a centre (reported by FourthPeriod). Flames can close the Monahan era, and start with 6.375M of new cap space and a young promising centre.

Ha just had the exact same thought

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 10:25 AM

Monahan actually fits in Fla quite well.

cowtown75 · 03-24-2021, 10:35 AM

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Lucic is trying hard...he has made some ridiculously bad passes in his own zone though. I can think of 4 or 5 off the top of my head that directly lead to goals against.

McDavid in the slot last week...FFS of all guys

To be fair, I have a never ending list of Gaudreau memories of turn-overs and give aways in the neutral zone, offensive zone and defensive zone which have resulted in goals for the other team but seems to be over looked many times because of his offensive potential. I have seen plenty of give aways by everyone, Monahan especially, on this team but there seems to be a lot of confirmation bias when it comes to Lucic.

Monahammer · 03-24-2021, 10:40 AM

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Way more productive is a bit of a misnomer.

Spoiler!

No, Dvorak has 2 less points in ~120 less games. He is way more productive than Sam Bennett.

GioforPM · 03-24-2021, 10:40 AM

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To be fair, I have a never ending list of Gaudreau memories of turn-overs and give aways in the neutral zone, offensive zone and defensive zone which have resulted in goals for the other team but seems to be over looked mant times because of his offensive potential. I have seen plenty of give aways by everyone, Monahan especially, on this team but there seems to be a lot of confirmation bias when it comes to Lucic.

Lucic has made 3 really bad ones I can think of. BUT he was trying to turn the puck up ice quickly and sometimes that doesn’t work out, especially because his skill isn’t where it once was. I have a lot more time for bad mistakes based on trying to get something done than a lazy or timid turnover.

The other thing is - whenever I’ve seen Lucic make such a mistake, he works his ass off the rest of the game, and in at least a couple instances, actually did make up for it with a goal of his own. He’s a guy who seems to channel being upset with himself in a good way. Some on the team do the opposite.

Bonded · 03-24-2021, 10:46 AM

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No, Dvorak has 2 less points in ~120 less games. He is way more productive than Sam Bennett.

Still hasn't broken 40 points in a season. He is a throw in like Bennett in a bigger trade, not a centerpiece for Monahan.

Monahammer · 03-24-2021, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Still hasn't broken 40 points in a season. He is a throw in like Bennett in a bigger trade, not a centerpiece for Monahan.

I agree there with the Monahan part, but he's more similar to Mangiapane value wise IMO. Bennett just isn't a comparable, and if you're hoping we're going to get similar value for Bennett, then you are heading for disappointment.

SuperMatt18 · 03-24-2021, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

To Calgary: Anton Lundell
To Florida: Sean Monahan

Then just call it a day. Florida is after a centre (reported by FourthPeriod). Flames can close the Monahan era, and start with 6.375M of new cap space and a young promising centre.

Wonder if you could get Tippett too.

Lundell
Tippett

for

Monahan

A young C and a young RW for Monahan.