Exec Agrees with Gaudreau Trade Proposal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Id definitely do something around Gaudreau and Konecny. I'm not sure Philly does though unless there's more to it. They don't really need a LW

They need something, they are also in 5th place

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That is kinda my point...its fine to say "he is a star he should be able to blah blah" but in reality there aren't many players that would look good on a line with Ritchie and Monahan the way he is playing now.

I know, that was my way of agreeing with you. Now Dominic Simon...no way he plays with someone that skilled!

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They need something, they are also in 5th place

They need D and a goalie

[Sandman]

Johnny will go somewhere where he’ll get to play with a faster, play-driving C, and he’ll be back to being over a ppg, star player. I don’t really think he’s the problem here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by browntrout

I just feel at best it's a lateral move, contracts aside, it does little to fix the problem on this team, no elite centreman...name the last elite centreman on the flames, Nieuwendyk
...and that was like 26-27 years. This team desperately needs a high quality centremam, and that is only happening through the draft or a trade (get Eichel here

You can't say lateral move contracts aside.
Contracts are EVERYTHING in the NHL.
You aren't solving the centre problem with this deal. You are making the deal to maximize the asset.
Again 3 outcomes:
- Johnny walks
- Johnny is traded
- Johnny signs a new deal with the Flames that has a ton of risk


I know which outcome I think is best.

[CliffFletcher]

If your two star forwards need another star forward on their line to be effective... they’re not very good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You can't say lateral move contracts aside.
Contracts are EVERYTHING in the NHL.
You aren't solving the centre problem with this deal. You are making the deal to maximize the asset.
Again 3 outcomes:
- Johnny walks
- Johnny is traded
- Johnny signs a new deal with the Flames that has a ton of risk


I know which outcome I think is best.

Depends on what the deal or the trade is I guess

I would rather trade for picks/prospects than for a lesser player just because they are better than nothing. Picks and prospects can open up more deals with more teams too.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Johnny will go somewhere where he’ll get to play with a faster, play-driving C, and he’ll be back to being over a ppg, star player. I don’t really think he’s the problem here.

He’s the problem only in that he’s the best offensive weapon we have.

But that’s not Gaudreau’s fault. He’s still crazy talented and dynamic, and I don’t think effort is the issue.

This team refuses to build around a big elite centre. Like Eichel.

I mock Feaster all the time, but when he offered all three 1st round picks for Nathan MacKinnon, he wasn’t wrong. His problem was not going far enough.

Three 1sts, One of Backlund/Brodie, and Baertschi, (who was hyped coming off a 2 PPG season in the Dub) for 1st overall. And I’d have been prepared to add more - the Sam Bennett 4th overall pick is a small price to pay for getting to watch Johnny Hockey play with Nathan MacKinnon for the last seven years instead of Sean Monahan.

[Caged Great]

At this point whatever the problems are in the room, they should be traded regardless and it will be addition by subtraction like the Neal trade.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If your two star forwards need another star forward on their line to be effective... they’re not very good.

Who on here has said Monahan is a star? He was an elite shooter that is no longer shooting well.

Gaudreau will go back to PPG+ the second he is playing with a good center and an above PTO winger IMO

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

He’s the problem only in that he’s the best offensive weapon we have.

But that’s not Gaudreau’s fault. He’s still crazy talented and dynamic, and I don’t think effort is the issue.

This team refuses to build around a big elite centre. Like Eichel.

I mock Feaster all the time, but when he offered all three 1st round picks for Nathan MacKinnon, he wasn’t wrong. His problem was not going far enough.

Three 1sts, One of Backlund/Brodie, and Baertschi, (who was hyped coming off a 2 PPG season in the Dub) for 1st overall. And I’d have been prepared to add more - the Sam Bennett 4th overall pick is a small price to pay for getting to watch Johnny Hockey play with Nathan MacKinnon for the last seven years instead of Sean Monahan.

Well sure. But maybe what he should have done was approach Fla for the 2OA. Of course, at the time, Barkov, Lindholm and Monahan were ranked pretty closely as the next best Cs.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by btimbit

They need D and a goalie

Rittich, Kylington and Gaudreau for Elliot, Konecny and Frost.

[dino7c]

With hindsight its pretty easy to be a GM but this is also a possibility:

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Rittich, Kylington and Gaudreau for Elliot, Konecny and Frost.

I hope you are talking about the boy from E.T.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well sure. But maybe what he should have done was approach Fla for the 2OA. Of course, at the time, Barkov, Lindholm and Monahan were ranked pretty closely as the next best Cs.

Either way, the point is this - if an actual #1C is available, no cost is too great to acquire him.

Don’t settle for someone you ‘think’ ‘could be’ ‘has potential’.

No. I’m over it. If you think Barkov or MacKinnon or Eichel are #1Cs, and are possibly available, and you have the assets to get a deal done, you get it done.

We can find another Valimaki. We can find another Lindholm. We can find another Tkachuk, Zary, Pelletier.

We cannot for the life of us find a #1C, going on nearly 30 years now.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by New Era

I proposed a similar deal a few weeks back where the Flames would move Gaudreau ($6.75) for Konecny and Frost ($6.363M) and the balance would be a 1st and a 3rd. This was of course before it looked like the Flames would be a lottery team. I still would like to some how snag Frost, but we would likely have to do something with the 1st to make it happen. Swap of 1st picks to even out? I don't know. This draft is not great, so it might be wise to take that gamble.

I'm not sure I understand the love for Frost or what exactly what he would bring to the table.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You can't say lateral move contracts aside.
Contracts are EVERYTHING in the NHL.
You aren't solving the centre problem with this deal. You are making the deal to maximize the asset.
Again 3 outcomes:
- Johnny walks
- Johnny is traded
- Johnny signs a new deal with the Flames that has a ton of risk


I know which outcome I think is best.

Exactly.

This isn't NHL21, everything about all the discussions around trading JG are driven by the extremely important factor of his contract ending next year. Any hopes and dreams people have about who he could produce better with, what the flames could have done differently, or even how many points he could put up on a new team are irrelevant. He probably will be successful, or more successful than he's been the last couple years, on his next team. But it changes nothing from a Flames perspective. I think the Kessel comparison is extremely apt. We tried him as the best player on this team for his entire RFA contract, it hasn't worked. Maybe it could have, maybe he needed some other kind of centreman, but none of that matters now. All the team can do is look forward and that involves facing a hard truth that the Flames will be hard pressed to re-sign him (personally I think we were lucky to even get him out of college in the first place) and the best move from an asset management point of view is to trade him ASAP.

This is a similar problem that people had with the Dougie Hamilton trade, sure Adam Fox was a good player but the Flames were going to lose him for nothing. They made the correct move trading him and Ferland's expiring contract for two promising guys that still had a lot of team control. Now the Flames still have Lindholm and Hanifin on good contract while neither Fox or Ferland plays for Carolina.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

They need something, they are also in 5th place

In a crazy tough division this year. No sense in chasing short term solutions.


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[blankall]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

In a crazy tough division this year. No sense in chasing short term solutions.


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The North division blows. The Flames should be able to walk all over the rest of the division. Instead, they are putting in no effort and losing.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Monahan is useless without Gaudreau.

How do we know?