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GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by browntrout

In all honesty what a horrible trade proposal...what the heck has TK even accomplished and we're sending our best player there for a guy who broke 60 points one time in his career....am I missing something here

You are missing a few things:

a. Konecny has a better PPG than Gaudreau in the last two seasons. That time he broke 60? He played only 66 games.

b. He's on a good long term contract with no clauses.

c. He's a RHS RW which this team really needs. A bit bigger, a bit younger, a bit faster and a lot more physical. Arguably he fits Sutter's game more.

d. Johnny is half a year away from completely controlling where he goes, and can easily work it so the Flames can't even trade him, after which he walks as a UFA. This is probably the most important part.

browntrout · 03-23-2021, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are missing a few things:

a. Konecny has a better PPG than Gaudreau in the last two seasons. That time he broke 60? He played only 66 games.

b. He's on a good long term contract with no clauses.

c. He's a RHS RW which this team really needs. A bit bigger, a bit younger, a bit faster and a lot more physical. Arguably he fits Sutter's game more.

d. Johnny is half a year away from completely controlling where he goes, and can easily work it so the Flames can't even trade him, after which he walks as a UFA. This is probably the most important part.

I just feel at best it's a lateral move, contracts aside, it does little to fix the problem on this team, no elite centreman...name the last elite centreman on the flames, Nieuwendyk
...and that was like 26-27 years. This team desperately needs a high quality centremam, and that is only happening through the draft or a trade (get Eichel here

transplant99 · 03-23-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

You are missing a few things:

a. Konecny has a better PPG than Gaudreau in the last two seasons. That time he broke 60? He played only 66 games.

b. He's on a good long term contract with no clauses.

c. He's a RHS RW which this team really needs. A bit bigger, a bit younger, a bit faster and a lot more physical. Arguably he fits Sutter's game more.

d. Johnny is half a year away from completely controlling where he goes, and can easily work it so the Flames can't even trade him, after which he walks as a UFA. This is probably the most important part.

So does Tkachuk yet we have people wanting to run him out of town while worrying about Gaudreau who, defensively is a complete tire fire, and is playing so scared of contact you'd think he is contagious.

I don't know if TK is part of the answer or not, but he checks a lot of boxes that JG simply doesn't. The Flames could do a whole lot worse as a return.

I seriously doubt that Philly would do the deal anyhow, so the point is moot..

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by browntrout

I just feel at best it's a lateral move, contracts aside, it does little to fix the problem on this team, no elite centreman...name the last elite centreman on the flames, Nieuwendyk
...and that was like 26-27 years. This team desperately needs a high quality centremam, and that is only happening through the draft or a trade (get Eichel here

"Contracts aside" is a pretty big qualification. You'd prefer the Cammalleri option? Or the Iginla return?

No one says this fixes centre. It addresses a looming issue and maybe even improves the team right now, since maybe TK fits better.

As for centre, unless they get Eichel somehow, I don't see any easy way out.

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So does Tkachuk yet we have people wanting to run him out of town while worrying about Gaudreau who, defensively is a complete tire fire, and is playing so scared of contact you'd think he is contagious.

I don't know if TK is part of the answer or not, but he checks a lot of boxes that JG simply doesn't. The Flames could do a whole lot worse as a return.

I seriously doubt that Philly would do the deal anyhow, so the point is moot..

I want to keep Tkachuk, but I'd sure like him to refocus his game. TBF, his last couple have been a lot better.

Bonded · 03-23-2021, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by browntrout

Monahan is useless without Gaudreau.

Prove it over the rest of the season then. Either he proves he can do something or we see if Gaudreau can get going. Both have not looked good as a pair and isn't all on Monahan.

Scooter · 03-23-2021, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

So does Tkachuk yet we have people wanting to run him out of town while worrying about Gaudreau who, defensively is a complete tire fire, and is playing so scared of contact you'd think he is contagious.

I don't know if TK is part of the answer or not, but he checks a lot of boxes that JG simply doesn't. The Flames could do a whole lot worse as a return.

I seriously doubt that Philly would do the deal anyhow, so the point is moot..

If as you say Johnny is so scared of contact then Philly is the last place he should go, as their style of hockey mentality has not changed much from the Broad Street Bullies days.

GioforPM · 03-23-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

If as you say Johnny is so scared of contact then Philly is the last place he should go, as their style of hockey mentality has not changed much from the Broad Street Bullies days.

I don't think people are worried about where he should go to better his game.

Blaster86 · 03-23-2021, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

If as you say Johnny is so scared of contact then Philly is the last place he should go, as their style of hockey mentality has not changed much from the Broad Street Bullies days.

AV has never coached a rough and tumble style of game.

dino7c · 03-23-2021, 04:21 PM

I guarantee if Gaudreau gets traded he will play with better players on his line

Weitz · 03-23-2021, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I guarantee if Gaudreau gets traded he will play with better players on his line

Bold prediction.

dissentowner · 03-23-2021, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I guarantee if Gaudreau gets traded he will play with better players on his line

Than Ritchie? I don't believe you!

ForeverFlameFan · 03-23-2021, 04:36 PM

Gaudreau is like Kessel, was a driver when he had to be the driver (and good at it too) but couldn’t and cannot carry the team on his own. Once traded to a contender and is the 3rd/4th best player rather than the best, then he will likely get out of his funk. He’s still a good player, so if we truly do move on from him then I think we will get some good value.

dino7c · 03-23-2021, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Than Ritchie? I don't believe you!

That is kinda my point...its fine to say "he is a star he should be able to blah blah" but in reality there aren't many players that would look good on a line with Ritchie and Monahan the way he is playing now.

Flamenspiel · 03-23-2021, 04:42 PM

Who is this exec? An unemployed GM...who cares.

FlamesAddiction · 03-23-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

I guarantee if Gaudreau gets traded he will play with better players on his line

Sure, but who really cares if he plays with better players somewhere else?

He has one more year after this one and a NMC that kicks in after this season. Unless he indicates a desire to commit himself to Calgary after this contract (unlikely considering the point you just made), then he needs to be moved before that NMC lowers his value.

The only other thing to do is go all in for a star player to play him with to capitalize on that one year left that he has. Not an easy thing to do.

GreenLantern2814 · 03-23-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

I just don't get why they won't break up Monahan and Gaudreau, have they demanded to play together or what. Switch Backlund and Monahan or something.

No, you see, Backlund couldn’t centre Iggy and Tanguay when he was 21, so he’s just not a #1C.

Pay no attention to the man being our most complete forward for six years straight and turning everyone he plays with into a 35-40 point player.

He’s a #3C on a good team and he makes too much money, and Seattle might not even take him for free if he’s there.

Now you know.

GreenLantern2814 · 03-23-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

"Contracts aside" is a pretty big qualification. You'd prefer the Cammalleri option? Or the Iginla return?

No one says this fixes centre. It addresses a looming issue and maybe even improves the team right now, since maybe TK fits better.

As for centre, unless they get Eichel somehow, I don't see any easy way out.

Then we should go get Eichel.

It beats spending $80M a year on this tire fire.

btimbit · 03-23-2021, 04:45 PM

Id definitely do something around Gaudreau and Konecny. I'm not sure Philly does though unless there's more to it. They don't really need a LW

powderjunkie · 03-23-2021, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooter

If as you say Johnny is so scared of contact then Philly is the last place he should go, as their style of hockey mentality has not changed much from the Broad Street Bullies days.

The fans may still crave that, but I'm not sure Giroux, Voracek, Couturier, Schenn, Briere, or Gagne really scream BSB.

Sure they've had guys like Simmonds, Hartnell, Richards, Pronger, etc, but not sure the last time the team identity lived up to that.

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Originally Posted by dino7c

That is kinda my point...its fine to say "he is a star he should be able to blah blah" but in reality there aren't many players that would look good on a line with Ritchie and Monahan the way he is playing now.

Aside from the most stacked teams, a lot of stars in the league have a utility player on their line...