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Bingo · 03-22-2021, 07:57 PM

Game Takes: Senators 2 Flames 1

- Flames offence sputters again
- Calgary carries the play, but when they broke down ... they really broke down
- Gaudreau gets his first even strength point since February 11th

getoverit · 03-22-2021, 08:01 PM

- No heart
- no pride
- no class

Won’t even play for each other

DeluxeMoustache · 03-22-2021, 08:41 PM

Good write up.

Darn right that Gio pair is struggling

This team misses Brodie. People talk about Tanev but to me he was supposed to slot in to replace what Hamonic was expected to be, and a lot of people thought Rasmus was going to slot in where Brodie was. Well, that hasn’t really worked out then, has it.

Infinit47 · 03-22-2021, 08:44 PM

27th ranked save percentage under Sutter? It's the exact opposite of when Ward took over.

Strange Brew · 03-22-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Good write up.

Darn right that Gio pair is struggling

This team misses Brodie. People talk about Tanev but to me he was supposed to slot in to replace what Hamonic was expected to be, and a lot of people thought Rasmus was going to slot in where Brodie was. Well, that hasn’t really worked out then, has it.

Yep. Rasmus is making Brodie money and nowhere near the player at the moment. That pairing is expensive and really playing poorly.

This ship has seemingly sprung leaks everywhere.

Erick Estrada · 03-22-2021, 09:28 PM

I have no idea why Gio is pinching ever. He's lost a step and needs to start playing a simpler game. I just think he's still trying to play like he has his abilities from a few years ago and it's led to a lot of turnovers and bad plays this season. IMO it's time to break that pairing up and have Gio playing bottom pairing minutes.

D as in David · 03-22-2021, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have no idea why Gio is pinching ever. He's lost a step and needs to start playing a simpler game. I just think he's still trying to play like he has his abilities from a few years ago and it's led to a lot of turnovers and bad plays this season. IMO it's time to break that pairing up and have Gio playing bottom pairing minutes.

I see what you're seeing but to me, it's like he's hesitating a lot of the time and then making the wrong decisions. It's like he's lost his confidence.

DoubleK · 03-22-2021, 09:34 PM

What on earth is up with the rim job in the offensive zone? They do it almost every possession and it isn't generating much. Tkachuk in particular seems to do it a lot, oftentimes blind without a d man there to receive it.

Moneyhands23 · 03-22-2021, 09:48 PM

This is the lowest point in 25 years. In a year we needed something to be proud of the team absolutely shirt the bed. Being a Flames fan is a tough road sometimes

Dion · 03-22-2021, 11:35 PM

Time to seperate Monahan and Gaudreau.

Rick M. · 03-23-2021, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep. Rasmus is making Brodie money and nowhere near the player at the moment. That pairing is expensive and really playing poorly.

This ship has seemingly sprung leaks everywhere.

Rasmus and Gio together make a very slow pairing. Kylington is a potential Brodie replacement, but the coaches don’t trust him.

Erick Estrada · 03-23-2021, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep. Rasmus is making Brodie money and nowhere near the player at the moment. That pairing is expensive and really playing poorly.

This ship has seemingly sprung leaks everywhere.

Anderson needs to mature and play better but Gio has been trending to awful since last season as he was terrible in the playoffs and has been poor a lot of the season. Brodie had the wheels to cover for him and Rasmus doesn't. It's not a good pairing but outside of Tanev I'm not sure there's a defenseman on the roster that's going to look good paired with Gio. IMO it's time to pair Valimaki with Anderson and have Gio on the 3rd pairing. Demoting the captain is always a difficult decision but the good organizations are decisive and aren't sentimental about these things as it's a business of winning hockey games.

Toonage · 03-23-2021, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Anderson needs to mature and play better but Gio has been trending to awful since last season as he was terrible in the playoffs and has been poor a lot of the season. Brodie had the wheels to cover for him and Rasmus doesn't. It's not a good pairing but outside of Tanev I'm not sure there's a defenseman on the roster that's going to look good paired with Gio. IMO it's time to pair Valimaki with Anderson and have Gio on the 3rd pairing.

I'm honestly surprised they don't try Kylington on Gio's right. He's got the speed, has been playing on the right when he does play, and just seems to be a logical fit for Gio.

Bingo · 03-23-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have no idea why Gio is pinching ever. He's lost a step and needs to start playing a simpler game. I just think he's still trying to play like he has his abilities from a few years ago and it's led to a lot of turnovers and bad plays this season. IMO it's time to break that pairing up and have Gio playing bottom pairing minutes.

Couldn't disagree more.

Pinching is one of the most effective parts of his game, he's great at it.

But he (and all the dmen) need the high forward to cover. Backlund didn't.

Can't believe anyone is talking about Giordano on that play.

That kind of structure needs a lot of trust, or you end up looking silly. If that trust falls down the pinch stops and the opposition exits easily.

ricardodw · 03-23-2021, 12:31 PM

Gio presents a unique problem .

He apparently has earned his 20+ minutes of ice time no matter how he is playing.

According to Hockey Stats Card that combines possession stats with actual on ice outcomes

He has had 7 Bad games and 6 Great games 6 poor games and 8 good games and 7 okay games.

That is not a great profile. The problem is that his ice time is consistent along all games . His ice time is not based on the quality of his play.

When you have your most used player being Bad or Poor in 13 out of 33 games it does not make for good playoff worthy team. and yet his 6 great games are 2nd on the Flames to Tkachuk's 8 great games and is the best number of great games by the Flames defense.

Tanev 2 great games 1 bad game
Hanifin 5 great games 2 bad games
Andersson 4 great games 11 bad games
Valimaki 3 great games 4 bad games

Valimaki , Nesterov and Kylington have not stepped up to off load some of Gio's minutes.

The Flames should be considering a move into the Elkholm / Savard bidding.

PS Brodie has 7 great game and 3 bad games

Bingo · 03-23-2021, 12:39 PM

The last thing I'd be doing if I was Treliving is expending assets on expensive veterans.

If this core is a flawed one, which given it's limp under Sutter seems to be the case, then it's time to move assets not acquire them.

Just hope they end up on one side of the fence or the other... either a playoff team or a clear seller.

flambers · 03-23-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

The last thing I'd be doing if I was Treliving is expending assets on expensive veterans.

If this core is a flawed one, which given it's limp under Sutter seems to be the case, then it's time to move assets not acquire them.

Just hope they end up on one side of the fence or the other... either a playoff team or a clear seller.

Agreed, I would think the Flames should be sellers.

The math doesn't paint a positive outlook for the Flames

ComixZone · 03-23-2021, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

The last thing I'd be doing if I was Treliving is expending assets on expensive veterans.

If this core is a flawed one, which given it's limp under Sutter seems to be the case, then it's time to move assets not acquire them.

Just hope they end up on one side of the fence or the other... either a playoff team or a clear seller.

My big hope?

Florida is interested in Johnny for a deal that includes Anton Lundell.

There is no way the Flames should be viewing this season as a year to expend assets. Gather some, change the core, and then get back to work.

AC · 03-23-2021, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Couldn't disagree more.

Pinching is one of the most effective parts of his game, he's great at it.

But he (and all the dmen) need the high forward to cover. Backlund didn't.

Can't believe anyone is talking about Giordano on that play.

That kind of structure needs a lot of trust, or you end up looking silly. If that trust falls down the pinch stops and the opposition exits easily.

Agreed, I said it in the GT when it happened but the Gio pinch was fine.

Backlund was in position to cover but misread the play somehow and hesitated or went the wrong direction and didn't cover properly, but the pinch was fine even if the puck got past him.

ricardodw · 03-23-2021, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

The last thing I'd be doing if I was Treliving is expending assets on expensive veterans.

If this core is a flawed one, which given it's limp under Sutter seems to be the case, then it's time to move assets not acquire them.

Just hope they end up on one side of the fence or the other... either a playoff team or a clear seller.

So who do you see as the Flames top-4 in 2021-22?

Elkholm would be top-3 next year on this team along with Hanifin and Tanev.

Can the Flames default a top-4 spot to Andersson and Valimaki seeing as how they don't seem to be ready for that role?

Spelling in for Brodie is a lot different than being out on the top pairing