What would you give up for Eichel?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Itse

I don't get the hype for Eichel.

Good player sure, but puts up less goals than Monahan and less points than Gaudreau, and I don't see him elevating his team like actual superstars.

You're basing this on what, exactly? Eichel has better points/game than Gaudreau both in this season and in their respective careers.

[powderjunkie]

In Eichel's tenure, BUF has always had pretty brutal:

- goaltending
- defence (obviously Dahlin is/was promising, but can't expect much immediately; the rest slot as #3/4 at best on good teams)
- bottom 9

Eichel's line has been between fine to great for the most part. Reinhart is nothing special, but very solid. Skinner was okay for a bit, and was replaced by Olofsson.

They should've been better his first 3 years with ROR, but the above problems still existed. It can't be overstated how bad BUF is beyond their top 3-4 guys.

[wired]

I would trade JG, and MT straight up for him.
I still have hope for Monahan, as I think Sutter can turn him into a better player.

[flylock shox]

As others have said, I'm also not persuaded Eichel is the right target for Calgary given (a) his cost to acquire, (b) his likely low level of interest in re-signing in Calgary, and (c) the fact he hasn't been able to sufficiently elevate the line he currently plays on in Buffalo.



I'd prefer if Calgary left others to the Eichel auction, and instead discussed a deal with Buffalo that sees Cozens and Hall come back this way. Buffalo's owners may be feeling the pressure to not only capitalize on the return for Eichel, but to turn their team's fortunes around ASAP. If so, Cozens doesn't quite help them yet, and Hall won't be sticking around anyway. The Flames have pieces that would help them immediately, and that would complement whatever big fish they land in their separate Eichel deal.


But who knows where Buffalo's collective head is at, and what their expectations are.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

As others have said, I'm also not persuaded Eichel is the right target for Calgary given (a) his cost to acquire, (b) his likely low level of interest in re-signing in Calgary, and (c) the fact he hasn't been able to sufficiently elevate the line he currently plays on in Buffalo.



I'd prefer if Calgary left others to the Eichel auction, and instead discussed a deal with Buffalo that sees Cozens and Hall come back this way. Buffalo's owners may be feeling the pressure to not only capitalize on the return for Eichel, but to turn their team's fortunes around ASAP. If so, Cozens doesn't quite help them yet, and Hall won't be sticking around anyway. The Flames have pieces that would help them immediately, and that would complement whatever big fish they land in their separate Eichel deal.


But who knows where Buffalo's collective head is at, and what their expectations are.

Does nobody want to play in Calgary??
If this is the case, why trade for anyone.

[GioforPM]

Eichel's no McDavid, or even Mackinnon or Matthews. But offensively, he matches ROR or Kopitar or Bergeron.

St. Louis was kind of a Sutteresque team and you could maybe reproduce that lineup with an Eichel trade, if you squint a bit.

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Does nobody want to play in Calgary??
If this is the case, why trade for anyone.

Nothing against Calgary, but I don't see what the draw would be for him, and don't know of any ties he has to the city or surrounding area. Plus he's a player with enough profile to call his own shots when the time comes.


There's also the danger that the team he would join in Calgary is simply not that competitive owing to the pieces given up to acquire him, which could lead to another frustrating experience.


But that's all just spitballing: he could end up loving playing for the Flames. Maybe we'll find out (but I doubt it).

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by wired

I would trade JG, and MT straight up for him.
I still have hope for Monahan, as I think Sutter can turn him into a better player.

Disagree. I think the more Sutter sees how useless Monahan is when he is not scoring the more likely he tells Tre to get rid of him. Monahan is only effective when he sits in the slot to unleash his excellent wrister but he is no longer getting to those areas. We need to deal him now before he totally falls off a cliff value wise.

[ForeverFlameFan]

You either have to go for Eichel or scorch the team for Wright or Bedard. Those are all top end centers that the Flames desperately need.

With Sutter at helm, our option is to go for someone like Eichel or go for a three way trade with Buffalo and New York, where we acquire Zibanejad (or some crazy trade like that). But, those trades don't happen in the NHL, so we revert back to Eichel.

Buffalo is a tire fire, and arguably a worse run organization than the Oilers. Yes, the organization up north is actually doing slightly better than Buffalo. We haven't seen Jack's potential. It's been him without much help. I suppose you can say that he has had help, and also pieces that SHOULD be helping him, but they aren't. We have better ownership, better GM, and now better coaching. And I would argue that we would have a better supporting cast. I don't think Jack is fit to be captain of our team, but we would emphasize that he is our key to getting success beyond the regular season. He hasn't had that chance yet, you bet your ass he would be fired up. He also didn't like getting picked after McDavid in the 2015 draft, I'm sure he would love to play his best every time went up against Edmonton.

Monahan for sure would have to be traded, and it would either have to be Gaudreau or Tkachuk also going the other way. I think with the direction of this team under coach Sutter, I would be more comfortable keeping Tkachuk over Gaudreau, as I think Tkachuk's style fits more of what Sutter wants from this team. Gaudreau wouldn't extend in Buffalo, so I think we'd have to find another suitor who would take him. Philadelphia is the ideal choice.

To Calgary: Eichel, Okposo @ 50% retention
To Buffalo: Monahan, Gostisbehere, Frost, JVR, 2021/22 1st (CGY), 2022 1st (PHI), Patrick
To Philadelphia: Gaudreau, Ristolainen

Basically comes down to: Monahan, Gaudreau, and 2021 1st for Eichel and Okposo (50% retained),

Then Philly trading for Gaudreau and Ristolainen in exchange for JVR, Ghost, 2021 1st, Patrick, Frost

Like I said, three way trades are rare. I think if I am Buffalo I ask for Tkachuk and Monahan, and if that were to happen then I hope we try to land Reinhart and Eichel and add to Tkachuk and Monahan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Disagree. I think the more Sutter sees how useless Monahan is when he is not scoring the more likely he tells Tre to get rid of him. Monahan is only effective when he sits in the slot to unleash his excellent wrister but he is no longer getting to those areas. We need to deal him now before he totally falls off a cliff value wise.

I would bet Sutter feels that way about Gaudreau a lot more than Monahan, who's done some pretty good defensive work since Sutter arrived. And I'm not sure where you are getting that Monahan isn't in the slot these days. He's there, but the puck isn't coming to him that much. And when he's not there he's been digging pucks pretty hard - a lot more than before.

Monahan had a 2 goal game, but aside from that he's done other things than score, especially in the zone Sutter cares the most about. Well enough that Sutter's put him on some PKs. 17 SOG as well. 9 hits (Lindholm had 7, Backlund had 5).

Tell me what Gaudreau has done that should impress a guy like Sutter. 1 goal (when getting blown out) and no assists. 7 SOG. No hits obviously.

[djsFlames]

Any of

Gaudreau + Bennett + 1st

Monahan + Bennett + 1st

Lindholm + Bennett + 1st

Love Lindy but if they covet him most then so be it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I would bet Sutter feels that way about Gaudreau a lot more than Monahan, who's done some pretty good defensive work since Sutter arrived. And I'm not sure where you are getting that Monahan isn't in the slot these days. He's there, but the puck isn't coming to him that much. And when he's not there he's been digging pucks pretty hard - a lot more than before.

Monahan had a 2 goal game, but aside from that he's done other things than score, especially in the zone Sutter cares the most about. Well enough that Sutter's put him on some PKs. 17 SOG as well. 9 hits (Lindholm had 7, Backlund had 5).

Tell me what Gaudreau has done that should impress a guy like Sutter. 1 goal (when getting blown out) and no assists. 7 SOG. No hits obviously.

This is complete bs. Monahan does not play defense. Johnny actually backchecks more than Monahan. The Monahan apologists need to stop fabricating this supposed 200 foot game that is entirely non existent. I have not seen anything you claim from the above, just a slow soft perimeter player who is a liability when he isn't scoring.

[Lanny_McDonald]

double post.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is complete bs. Monahan does not play defense. Johnny actually backchecks more than Monahan. The Monahan apologists need to stop fabricating this supposed 200 foot game that is entirely non existent. I have not seen anything you claim from the above, just a slow soft perimeter player who is a liability when he isn't scoring.

[Classic_Sniper]

Any trade that involves Jack Eichel has to include Sean Monahan in my opinion. An expensive offense first center for another expensive offense first center. Then you throw in some additional pieces to get the trade done. I don’t think trading Gaudreau who will be a 1 year rental after this season will be enough of a centerpiece. I barely think Monahan’s 2 years left is a centerpiece either, but with all the extras, it might pique the interest of the Sabres brass.

From a Flames perspective, Elias Lindholm can probably move back to wing to help do some heavy lifting for Jack Eichel and Mikael Backlund can play a second fiddle, shutdown role. Or I guess the Flames can try Eichel-Lindholm-Backlund up the middle which looks menacing. Both options look good to me, but it ultimately comes down to what Buffalo wants to do. If they want to rebuild and trade Eichel for say a Quinton Byfield, then the Flames are SOL.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is complete bs. Monahan does not play defense. Johnny actually backchecks more than Monahan. The Monahan apologists need to stop fabricating this supposed 200 foot game that is entirely non existent. I have not seen anything you claim from the above, just a slow soft perimeter player who is a liability when he isn't scoring.

I hate to pull the old “did you even watch” card, but last game, Monahan made a few really nice defensive plays. Johnny was doing his one handed stick wave at players skating by him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Any of

Gaudreau + Bennett + 1st

Monahan + Bennett + 1st

Lindholm + Bennett + 1st

Love Lindy but if they covet him most then so be it.

I suspect they will much rather have a D than Bennett. One of Hanifin, Valimaki or Andersson.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

Nothing against Calgary, but I don't see what the draw would be for him, and don't know of any ties he has to the city or surrounding area. Plus he's a player with enough profile to call his own shots when the time comes.


There's also the danger that the team he would join in Calgary is simply not that competitive owing to the pieces given up to acquire him, which could lead to another frustrating experience.


But that's all just spitballing: he could end up loving playing for the Flames. Maybe we'll find out (but I doubt it).

Win a Stanley Cup. If he goes elsewhere after, the banner stays.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Seriously, this is the best chance Calgary’s ever had to get an elite C, so they should make every effort. It’s pretty hard with (a) other bidders and (b) the cap.

It’s also made harder by the fact he is likely not on the trade market.

In any event, assuming he is traded, the likely winning bidder will include a premium piece that is young, relatively cheap and with term. Calgary does not have that piece.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

I think a lot of people are forgetting that IF Eichel gets traded its because he wants out and requests a trade. That will make the return much different than if we were trying to get a happy Eichel out of a successful Buffalo... so if we acquire Eichel it won't be for our 5 best players making us Bufflo-West.

Likely not relevant since lots of teams will bid for him.


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