Brad Treliving needs to go

[Boreal]

I’m still waiting to figure out where Brad is going to go.

[Manhattanboy]

Now ownership has to decide if he’s the guy to negotiate replacements for key parts of the team including Gaudreau, Monahan and perhaps Tkachuk.

[genetic_phreek]

Byeeeeeeee

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Now ownership has to decide if he’s the guy to negotiate replacements for key parts of the team including Gaudreau, Monahan and perhaps Tkachuk.

Treliving has had the owners's support up to this point. Unless they have a clearly better replacement in line, then I don't see them making any changes before the end of the season. Even then, I think Treliving will get the off-season, and will be evaluated moving forward from how he handles it.

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[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Treliving has had the owners's support up to this point. Unless they have a clearly better replacement in line, then I don't see them making any changes before the end of the season. Even then, I think Treliving will get the off-season, and will be evaluated moving forward from how he handles it.

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And even then, at this point if they do move on I imagine they move Treliving to a senior role to bring in a new GM

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And even then, at this point if they do move on I imagine they move Treliving to a senior role to bring in a new GM

What makes you think that?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by btimbit

And even then, at this point if they do move on I imagine they move Treliving to a senior role to bring in a new GM

So the organization fires by promotion?

New coach to emphasize accountability

What problems do we have here?

[Strange Brew]

Zero chance Treliving is promoted. If there is a new POHO, it will be from outside to oversee what he is allowed to do.

I thought he would get another off season, but with Sutter hired as coach I don’t know if Treliving survives missing the playoffs.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Zero chance Treliving is promoted. If there is a new POHO, it will be from outside to oversee what he is allowed to do.

I thought he would get another off season, but with Sutter hired as coach I don’t know if Treliving survives missing the playoffs.

Zero chance? You’re laying it on a little thick, no? Fact is, you don’t know that.

Treliving handled the Peters issue about as well as you would expect, at least publicly. He basically acted as the POHO’s in that situation.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Zero chance? You’re laying it on a little thick, no? Fact is, you don’t know that.

Treliving handled the Peters issue about as well as you would expect, at least publicly. He basically acted as the POHO’s in that situation.

You’re right, I don’t “know” that. I would be stunned to say the least and while I don’t have an issue with how Treliving handled the Peters situation, I don’t see that it was a master stroke in crisis management either.

Put me in the hard no camp of believing Treliving has done anything at all to merit a promotion and more responsibility in terms of driving a long term strategy.

If there’s anything more than a zero chance of Treliving getting such a promotion, I would seriously question the business acumen of those making the decisions.

Let see if he can be a capable GM first.

[powderjunkie]

Lombardi for POHO.

IMO Burke failed at managing the big picture/mandate here. BT has had plenty of opportunities to correct course since Burke left, but it's impossible to say whether he wanted to or not (or if ownership insisted on a 'make the playoffs and anything can happen' strategy).

[Winsor_Pilates]

He's safe until the off season.
Sutter may squeeze the team into the playoffs, so ownership won't do anything until this plays out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

He's safe until the off season.
Sutter may squeeze the team into the playoffs, so ownership won't do anything until this plays out.

If Treliving was in jeopardy of losing his job then I don't see why ownership would not have fired him along with Geoff Ward. I think Treliving will get the off season and 2021-22 to see how this plays out in the linger term before he is fired.

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[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If Trelivimg was in jeopardy of losing his job then I don't see why ownership would not have fired him along with Geoff Ward. I think Treliving will get the off season and 2021-22 to see how this plays out in the linger term before he is fired.

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Ownership had the coach they wanted ready to go when Ward was fired. That may not have been the case with a GM.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Now ownership has to decide if he’s the guy to negotiate replacements for key parts of the team including Gaudreau, Monahan and perhaps Tkachuk.

Treliving deserves plenty of criticism for his handling of coaches, several of his free agent acquisitions, and for flouting draft picks. However, one of the things he has excelled at in his job is getting very good value for his players.

· Curtis Glencross and Sven Baertschi were moved for two 2nds and a 3rd round pick.
· Kris Russell and Jiri Hudler were traded for Jyrki Jokipaka, Brett Pollock, two 2nds and a 4th. He also traded David Jones, Marcus Granlund and Max Reinhart for Hunter Shinkaruk, a conditional 4th and a 6th.
· Micheal Ferland, Dougie Hamilton and a disgruntled Adam Fox—who would not come to terms on a contract—were traded for Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin—arguably the team's current #1 centre and #1 defenseman.
· He turned James Neal into Milan Lucic with some cap savings and a 3rd. Since the start of 2020 Lucic has played 64 games in Calgary and scored 12 goals and 27 points. Neal has 5 goals and 13 points in 34 games.

Treliving dropped the ball on the Kulak trade, but I don't think he has often come out on the losing side of these sorts of deals for his players.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Ownership had the coach they wanted ready to go when Ward was fired. That may not have been the case with a GM.

That is one way to spin it. But it does not align at all with everything we know about the coaching change.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Ownership had the coach they wanted ready to go when Ward was fired. That may not have been the case with a GM.

So which scenario do you find more plausible?

I find your suggestion hard to believe, frankly. The only indication of Treliving’s job being on the line has come from a group within the fan base. I would also bet a large portion of this group would turn on a new GM once the honeymoon period has passed, much like they have with Treliving.

The Flames are on the right track here in my mind. They brought in a young GM who they probably were expecting to learn along the way and one they could grow with and maintain some stability in the organization. Have mistakes been made. Yes, they definitely have. Are other GM’s making mistakes? Yes, they are. Is Treliving making more mistakes than his peers? Not that I can see. Is there a clear cut better individual for the job? Who? Or is it just another instance of arguing for change for the sake of change.

I still haven’t seen/read a well thought out argument as to why Treliving should be fired and the Flames would be better off for it. Most ‘reasons’ people offer up are empty critiques along the lines of ‘he hasn’t acquired an elite C’. In the not too distant past we’ve also heard; ‘he hasn’t acquired a 1G’ or ‘he hasn’t hired an elites coach’.

[chedder]

He is 7 years on the job and has built a team that just can't take that next step. I know every team cannot until they can but it seems this core doesn't have the skill, determination and whatever else you need to go deep in the playoffs. That is on the GM. I'm more than willing to give Sutter some time to see what he can get out of this group but I think there needs to be major lineup changes this summer. Many people believe a core shakeup was needed after the Colorado embarrassment. He could have done it then. I don't think Treliving is the guy to do it now.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Treliving deserves plenty of criticism for his handling of coaches, several of his free agent acquisitions, and for flouting draft picks. However, one of the things he has excelled at in his job is getting very good value for his players.

· Curtis Glencross and Sven Baertschi were moved for two 2nds and a 3rd round pick.
· Kris Russell and Jiri Hudler were traded for Jyrki Jokipaka, Brett Pollock, two 2nds and a 4th. He also traded David Jones, Marcus Granlund and Max Reinhart for Hunter Shinkaruk, a conditional 4th and a 6th.
· Micheal Ferland, Dougie Hamilton and a disgruntled Adam Fox—who would not come to terms on a contract—were traded for Elias Lindholm, Noah Hanifin—arguably the team's current #1 centre and #1 defenseman.
· He turned James Neal into Milan Lucic with some cap savings and a 3rd. Since the start of 2020 Lucic has played 64 games in Calgary and scored 12 goals and 27 points. Neal has 5 goals and 13 points in 34 games.

Treliving dropped the ball on the Kulak trade, but I don't think he has often come out on the losing side of these sorts of deals for his players.

He just trades his players at a much lower rate than every other organization over the past 7 years, probably because he is pretty comfortable with the core that he has. Outside of trading picks he has made the Neal trade and the Hamilton + for Lindholm and Hanifin trade. After the trade with Carolina he did not really make any more major deals.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I don't mind BT at all for the most part. He's just been too loyal to this core. That's my only real gripe with him.....should have made major changes to this core before now.