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Old 03-19-2021, 06:12 PM   #141
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He definitely read the thread.
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Old 03-19-2021, 09:05 PM   #142
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How much is pyjama boy making? And how old will he be in in two years? Lol. Please close the thread.

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Old 03-19-2021, 10:39 PM   #143
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That thing with Holl was weird though.

They dropped the gloves then Tkachuk skated soooo far away.

So Holl was like "Oh we aren't fighting? Ok I'll pick up my glove."

Holl bends down to pick up his glove and Tkachuk comes over to him and starts the fight.

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Old 03-19-2021, 10:41 PM   #144
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That thing with Holl was weird though.

They dropped the gloves then Tkachuk skated soooo far away.

So Holl was like "Oh we aren't fighting? Ok I'll pick up my glove."

Holl bends down to pick up his glove and Tkachuk comes over to him and starts the fight.

Holl sees Tkachuk coming towards him, with gloves off, and completely bails out!
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Who is pyjama boy?
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Old 03-19-2021, 10:43 PM   #146
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I think it is Tavares.

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Old 03-20-2021, 11:10 AM   #147
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Well...no.

Unless he has no desire to stay in Calgary, there is a very simple way to keep him.

Offer him what he believes market value is, but do so for a longer term than he is likely to get as UFA.

Don Meehan is his agent and the best in the business in understanding what will work for both client and team and is up front and honest about it with both.

No question that MT is positioned brilliantly to have leverage when the time comes, but that certainly does not mean its 9M or UFA.

Again though...that is some 14 or 15 months away....lots of time for BT to get that info, have a read on things here and make a decision.
Under old/normal circumstances, it wouldn't necessarily have been 15 months away. They could sign an extension this off-season that kicks in the following year. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see that happen with Brayden Point.

Signing that early the player gives up some cash in exchange for certainty. Taking the QO route can mean 2 years of risk and uncertainty. It rarely blows up in your face...but look no further than Taylor Hall. Then again by structuring a deal based on the new reality he may not come out that badly compared to if he signed a front-loaded extension with NJD or ARI pre-pandemic.

Tkachuk has the generational wealth that he can buy insurance against that, and having control of his destiny might hold a bit more value in his consideration of risk vs. reward than it would for most guys.


I suspect Tkachuk cares about winning as much as anything else. If the Flames were poised for sustained success this would be a much smaller issue. As it stands, it makes all the sense in the world for him to play this out, and I don't blame him at all.


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That thing with Holl was weird though.

They dropped the gloves then Tkachuk skated soooo far away.

So Holl was like "Oh we aren't fighting? Ok I'll pick up my glove."

Holl bends down to pick up his glove and Tkachuk comes over to him and starts the fight.

That was bizarre...it was almost like Tkachuk is such a bad skater he couldn't control where he wanted to be
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:14 AM   #148
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Pajama boy would still be the best player on the Flames. Though only narrowly over Lindholm, so it is pretty funny that he has more than 2.25x higher AAV.
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:54 AM   #149
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This was pretty weird.



Did they sort out on the broadcast why this happened? I fast forwarded through all the breaks.
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Old 03-20-2021, 11:57 AM   #150
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Either Tkachuk thought he was better off with the stick as opposed to Nesterov (bad) or he figured they were too spread apart and he didn’t want to lose position (probably wrong but not as bad). I think to get an accurate picture you need to see where the puck is.
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This was pretty weird.



Did they sort out on the broadcast why this happened? I fast forwarded through all the breaks.
The only thing I can think is that Tkachuk read that they were about to break-out, so it was pointless to hand-off to Nesterov.

Either way, can't say I've seen something quite like that before.
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Yeah... I just don't see any circumstance where you don't do it. I am totally on board with the "Defensemen shouldn't give their stick to the goalie if the goalie has lost his" argument, but in the case of d-man / forward, you'd always prefer to have the guy at the point facing a stickless defender than someone below the top of the circles.
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At about 0:55 in the video it looks like he read a possible breakout, but after that it seems pretty inexcusable
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Old 03-20-2021, 12:05 PM   #154
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Have to love Tkachuk's post game interview when asked what the message was about the fight and he said "don't hit Johnny", then he went and listed the murderer's row of people you will have to answer to if you do starting with Looch, Benny and Ritch and then him.

Really doesn't need to be said as it's the rule with every team and their stars, but it's nice to have it amplified and aired.

That guy cares about this team and his teammates. Still pisses me off about the "tone it down" rumour and also that no one came to defend him when the Muzzin thing went down. I know Chucky can take care of himself, but it'd be nice if one of his teammates could back him up once in awhile.
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I suppose it’s possible Tkachuk thought he was going to have to slide over to the right boards to help in the battle which was moving up the boards, in which case he’d be in the play and Nesterov would have stayed net front - further from the puck.
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I started a thread about this a while back, but I still think forwards should be coached to go for a change in most circumstances (basically anything but clean possession for the O-team) with a broken/missing stick.

In this case, pass your stick to Nesterov and sprint off the ice. Could have a player back in place in less than 2 seconds. I'd have coaches screaming a code-word and have the replacement player ready to go and take a pretty big liberty on the change.

This situation was especially a no brainer with the puck in the opposite corner from the Flames bench on a short change.
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I started a thread about this a while back, but I still think forwards should be coached to go for a change in most circumstances (basically anything but clean possession for the O-team) with a broken/missing stick.

In this case, pass your stick to Nesterov and sprint off the ice. Could have a player back in place in less than 2 seconds. I'd have coaches screaming a code-word and have the replacement player ready to go and take a pretty big liberty on the change.

This situation was especially a no brainer with the puck in the opposite corner from the Flames bench on a short change.
When Nesterov broke his stick he was maybe 20 feet down the boards from the bench, that's what 6-8 seconds to grab a stick and be back in the play as a functional defender.

I could be missing something here but why didn't he simply immediately grab a replacement 20 feet away ?
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When Nesterov broke his stick he was maybe 20 feet down the boards from the bench, that's what 6-8 seconds to grab a stick and be back in the play as a functional defender.

I could be missing something here but why didn't he simply immediately grab a replacement 20 feet away ?
Because Nesterov isn’t very good and doesn’t make the smart play.

If I have to choose between Nesterov or Tkachuk having a stick, anywhere on the ice, I want Tkachuk to have that stick.
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That was bizarre...it was almost like Tkachuk is such a bad skater he couldn't control where he wanted to be
It was like Tkachuk remembered, or heard from the bench, that you don't drop your gloves to go figure skating on a Sutter team
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Old 03-20-2021, 01:57 PM   #160
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Weird play, I don't think it was Tkachuk being selfish because, well Tkachuk is not a selfish teammate. He must have sensed a breakout pass to him, it's the wrong play, but it's not the end of the world.
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