Cameron documentary claims to have found Jesus' Tomb. Oh, and dead body too...

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FireFly

He can be all powerful and all knowing, but does that mean he has all that knowledge on the tip of his breain at any given moment?

Didn't he change his mind when he saved Noah? What about Sodom and Gomorrah? He has shown evidence of evolving along with humanity as well.

Tough question FF. I would assume if he is all powerful and all knowing, he would also have knowledge about most anything.

Did he know Adam and Eve were going to sin? Because as soon as they sinned, God had already begun looking for a plan in order to grant us salvation once again.

That Jewish traditional stuff just didn't seem to cut it.

Your two examples were exactly what I was thinking of, when I mentioned God changed his outlook on man many times.

[photon]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Why can't God change?

Doesn't He say He's the same yesterday, today, and forever?

Though I agree there's instances where he changed his mind about something. Abraham sucessfully argued with God I think I remember

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by photon

Doesn't He say He's the same yesterday, today, and forever?

Though I agree there's instances where he changed his mind about something. Abraham sucessfully argued with God I think I remember

I don't think he says he's the same... I think he's saying he's the beginning and the end, he's eternity, always around, etc.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by photon

Doesn't He say He's the same yesterday, today, and forever?

Though I agree there's instances where he changed his mind about something. Abraham sucessfully argued with God I think I remember

Aye he did, about Sodom and Gomorrah.

[photon]

Ah ok.. yeah in just looking at a few things there's lots of places where God says he doesn't change (in his promises, his faithfulness, etc), and other places where God repents, so you could say God is consistent, but not static.

Heh I think if I asked a question like you just said about God evolving along with humanity from some of my friends they'd stone me. That definately made me blink more than twice.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by photon

Ah ok.. yeah in just looking at a few things there's lots of places where God says he doesn't change (in his promises, his faithfulness, etc), and other places where God repents, so you could say God is consistent, but not static.

Heh I think if I asked a question like you just said about God evolving along with humanity from some of my friends they'd stone me. That definately made me blink more than twice.

I'm glad that I continue to surprise!

[Azure]

Some of the religious issues most religious folks tend to ignore end up being the most thought provoking ones. Like the idea of God evolving along with humanity as times changed.

Which is why I stress so much why our faith must always stay under challenge and scrutiny.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by FireFly

It's easy enough for us to look at African people and give them rules and teach them how to grow stuff and clean water and all that kind of stuff, however it's much different when we try to put it into practise. When we do, we realize just how difficult those living conditions are.

Come on now.

"look at African people and give them rules and teach them how to grow stuff".

No offense, but that sounds like something a Liverpudlian chimney sweep might say. In 1825.

Originally Posted by FireFly

It's similar for God. He gave the Jews rules for how to worship Him the best, and then He noticed they were having a very difficult time living up to those rules. I mean really, all the people in the world and he's got Job and Noah? He had to question why so many of His people fell away from Him. Also, He didn't want them to be seperate from Him, so He sent His Son to check it out. What His Son discovered was that life is hard! All those rules on top of just living day to day was ridiculously hard, and He wanted to make it easier to see the kingdom, so He changed the rules.

So let me get this straight. An all-powerful being, the creator of the sun, moon, stars and everything else, lays out a cryptic set of rules in some book then impregnates a teenage girl with a kid who will "check it out" and then die a painful death so we can all continue to break the rules that God laid out in the first place?

I don't get it.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't get it.

Which isn't surprising.

What exactly are you looking for that will help you get it?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Which isn't surprising.

What exactly are you looking for that will help you get it?

If I'm looking for anything I guess it's "rationality" or "proof" or "something that makes sense". If anyone can put anything that satisfies those criteria in front of me then I will hopefully get it.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Azure

WRONG, Wrong, wrong.

At least get it right; Christians don't like Homosexuality....in essence they should love homosexuals.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. If we're talking about Christians.

Interesting... Why is Gay marriage the scapegoat then?

I haven't heard anyone on here asking for marriages to be annulled because a M/F couple engages in Sodomy. That in itself is bias. The reason a lot of people have been accusing the "Christian" community of attacking gays is because their actions speak louder than words.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by kermitology

The question is not whether or not Jesus existed, but if he was the son of God. If Cameron is right, and I think that will be VERY hard to prove, then it's contradictory to a lot of biblical "history"

There's a large question of whether or not Jesus ever existed.

No one, of course, can prove he didn't exist but the more relevant point would be that no one can prove he actually did either.

To save everyone some time, one of the innumerable past threads on whether or not Jesus ever existed with everyone's arguments and links is below:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ighlight=Jesus

That's what would make this find so remarkable . . . . there is no other evidence, either physical, written or eyewitness, from the contemporary life of Jesus. This would be the first . . . . if true.

Cowperson

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Come on now.

"look at African people and give them rules and teach them how to grow stuff".

No offense, but that sounds like something a Liverpudlian chimney sweep might say. In 1825.

None taken. Clearly you're the one who's unaware of how primitave some civilizations still are with their lack of running water and electricity.

So let me get this straight. An all-powerful being, the creator of the sun, moon, stars and everything else, lays out a cryptic set of rules in some book then impregnates a teenage girl with a kid who will "check it out" and then die a painful death so we can all continue to break the rules that God laid out in the first place?

I don't get it.

Clearly. God's ultimate goal is to have us with Him. The way it was, very few people were acheiving that goal and He was lonely. So He changed the rules in the way we get to Him. He saw that the world was full of anger and hatred and disgusting things, and realized that more important than sacrifices and such was loving one another. Certainly, 'the code' still exists and we shouldn't sin, however the ultimate goal is to become more like Jesus who loved everyone. The end result is that if you truely believe that Jesus was His Son, you'll get to Heaven. He knows your heart, you can't fake something like that. It's much easier to get to Heaven this way than to ensure that you skin a cow and burn it on every third Sunday of the month and whatever else...

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FireFly

But non-religious people force their views on religious people all the time... so that's okay? I mean, I can't share my non-existant husband with 3 other women... shouldn't that be my right too?

Actually the people who were against polgamy were other religous people. But I get your point and 100% religous freedom cannot exist in a country that isn't governed by that religon. In a country like Canada is impossible to cater to every religons "rights". It would never end. There was a group in a Calgary a while back that wanted it's own set of laws that suited their religon. These laws allowed them to do things to women that wouldn't be allowed under Canadian laws. This infringed on their religous rights.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Actually the people who were against polgamy were other religous people. But I get your point and 100% religous freedom cannot exist in a country that isn't governed by that religon. In a country like Canada is impossible to cater to every religons "rights". It would never end. There was a group in a Calgary a while back that wanted it's own set of laws that suited their religon. These laws allowed them to do things to women that wouldn't be allowed under Canadian laws. This infringed on their religous rights.

But if we're talking sexual freedom and the fact that government should stay out of our bedrooms, should not polygamy be allowed? Perhaps stricter requirements for bloodwork done for polygamous couples, but really, whose right is it to say I can't have 5 husbands and my 5 husbands can't have 3 other wives?

Why do you feel that gay marriage should be allowed, and could not those same arguments be used for polygamous marriage?

[photon]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Why do you feel that gay marriage should be allowed, and could not those same arguments be used for polygamous marriage?

Freedoms are restricted for the benifit of society, so in my mind to restrict polygamy you'd have to show that polygamy does significant enough harm to society to warrant being restricted. Doesn't stop people though, I'm sure there are people who live in such groups.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by FireFly

None taken. Clearly you're the one who's unaware of how primitave some civilizations still are with their lack of running water and electricity.

Still sounds a bit condescending though... its not like they don't know how to govern or provide running water, some of the first governments and water systems/aqueducts were in Africa (if we're talking about 'civilization' here...). More likely if 'we' weren't busy exploiting the crap out of the place for the past 3/4 centuries they wouldn't need us to 'teach them how to farm'. They knew/know how, stupidity/inexperience is not the problem in Africa.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Still sounds a bit condescending though... its not like they don't know how to govern or provide running water, some of the first governments and water systems/aqueducts were in Africa (if we're talking about 'civilization' here...). More likely if 'we' weren't busy exploiting the crap out of the place for the past 3/4 centuries they wouldn't need us to 'teach them how to farm'. They knew/know how, stupidity/inexperience is not the problem in Africa.

I never said it was, but there are better, more productive ways of doing everything now. We know a lot more about health issues and whatnot so we teach them how to use new medical technologies. Do we not also go to school? Do we not also learn ourselves how to make life easier by using technology? It has nothing to do with intelligence, it's about making the most out of what you're given. You both read way too much into my example. I used it because there is the greatest gap between western civilization and some african civilizations in regards to technology and practises, not because I think they're stupid.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FireFly

But if we're talking sexual freedom and the fact that government should stay out of our bedrooms, should not polygamy be allowed? Perhaps stricter requirements for bloodwork done for polygamous couples, but really, whose right is it to say I can't have 5 husbands and my 5 husbands can't have 3 other wives?

Why do you feel that gay marriage should be allowed, and could not those same arguments be used for polygamous marriage?

I can see the parallel that someone could draw between gay marriage and polygamy but in reality they are not close. Polygamy has other problems that put society in the opposite direction we are trying to go. It is not just a sexual freedom issue.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I can see the parallel that someone could draw between gay marriage and polygamy but in reality they are not close. Polygamy has other problems that put society in the opposite direction we are trying to go. It is not just a sexual freedom issue.

Such as? Let's be specific here.