Chucky on the Decline....

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

Nope, didnt hear it mentioned here. Was there another interview maybe because I also remember Sutter talking about the good Centres he already has here and that the hiring was very quick and it only took 2 -3 days.

He did an interview after the PC on SN 960 the same afternoon. I would think you could find it in their archives.

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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

He did an interview after the PC on SN 960 the same afternoon. I would think you could find it in their archives.

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On this page...scroll down to March 5.

https://podcast.sportsnet.ca/the-big...nathan-davis/#!

[Britflamesfan]

I guess it boils down to what you are prepared to pay him. 9M is way to much for me, no way I pay him that much so I guess I would be looking to move him on.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Well, I was wrong. I misremembered how he phrased it, but he did not say Murray Edwards is the one who called him. He did expand on his closeness to the owners and mentions speaking to Edwards at around ~24:30, which is where I thought he also slipped up and said "when Murray called me..."

Even if Murray did call him, he might have done so at the request of Treliving.

None of us knows the context of the calls. He might even had been returning Sutter’s call.


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[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Posters who claim to have inside knowledge should be taking with a grain of salt.

I remember, this past summer, that one poster said he had heard first hand from a son of one of the owners (didn't say which one) that the Flames were going to trade Johnny Gaudreau for Sean Couturier and the only reason it didn't happen was because the salaries didn't work. Bull Sh*t.

Why would the owner tell his son?
Why would his son tell his buddy?
Why would his buddy tell CP?

Doesn't pass the smell test. And neither does someone claiming to have inside knowledge on hiring practices of the Flames. And even if they did, why on earth would they share that with CP?

I was the one who had insider info that ownership made the Sutter decision, and I’m not lying about it. I’ve been a member on this board since 2010, actually 2004 if you count my first account. I get no kicks throwing false info to CP. I value CP and want to add value to the discussion.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I was the one who had insider info that ownership made the Sutter decision, and I’m not lying about it. I’ve been a member on this board since 2010, actually 2004 if you count my first account. I get no kicks throwing false info to CP. I value CP and want to add value to the discussion.

okay, to be clear though, was it ownership that approved the firing and hiring, because I would think that is typical in the NHL. Or are you saying the ownership stepped in and hired Sutter, cutting Treliving out of the process?

If it is the latter, then I would think substantial changes to management are coming this offseason, and I question the wisdom in that decision. My bet is things will get worse before they get better. In most instances when change in management is made there is a period of transition where no immediate change is made while the new group 'see's what it has'. You might as well throw next season in the dumpster as well in this case. that would be 2 of 3 Sutter years waisted.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I was the one who had insider info that ownership made the Sutter decision, and I’m not lying about it. I’ve been a member on this board since 2010, actually 2004 if you count my first account. I get no kicks throwing false info to CP. I value CP and want to add value to the discussion.

I believe you. Hiring Darryl Sutter is not a Brad Treliving move. He's gone out of his way to hire coaches that could never mount a power struggle against him and there's no way in my mind he would ever bring in a guy like Darryl that has already been GM of the team and is tight with the owners. You could tell by the look on his face when Darryl was introduced that this was a guy that was just told who his new head coach was going to be.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Y'know I think it's pretty weird that we're looking for a big bodied winger who can crash and bang, is reasonably responsible defensively, and has mitts for Johnny and Mony's line. We've been looking for this player for a long time. We are so damn fixated that they have to be Right handed... Why the hell aren't we trying Tkachuk-Monahan-Johnny for at least a few games? We only ever play these guys together on the PP. at this point what do we have to lose? Johnny played RW on numerous occasions in international play. Tkachuk should be able to play RW too. Tkachuk is exactly the type of player that we are looking for if he pulls his head out of his ass- all this while it's clear his style isn't meshing with Lindy.

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Dube-Lindholm-Mangiapane (Or phillips here if we are really feeling bold.)

I would like to see these two lines also. Tkachuk already plays with them on the PP, so see how they do as an even strength line.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe you. Hiring Darryl Sutter is not a Brad Treliving move. He's gone out of his way to hire coaches that could never mount a power struggle against him and there's no way in my mind he would ever bring in a guy like Darryl that has already been GM of the team and is tight with the owners. You could tell by the look on his face when Darryl was introduced that this was a guy that was just told who his new head coach was going to be.

Oh come on now. 'you could tell by the look on his face'. terrible take. What on earth are you talking about? that's about as ridiculous a statement as you can make, well done.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Oh come on now. 'you could tell by the look on his face'. terrible take. What on earth are you talking about? that's about as ridiculous a statement as you can make, well done.

Not that ridiculous. Having watched the press conference cover to cover twice now I agree that Treliving was obviously uncomfortable about something.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I believe you. Hiring Darryl Sutter is not a Brad Treliving move. He's gone out of his way to hire coaches that could never mount a power struggle against him and there's no way in my mind he would ever bring in a guy like Darryl that has already been GM of the team and is tight with the owners. You could tell by the look on his face when Darryl was introduced that this was a guy that was just told who his new head coach was going to be.

No, you cannot.

For the record, I believe him, too. I have no doubt that the decision to hire Sutter was made with tonnes of involvement from ownership. But their involvement is completely different than this notion that they somehow pushed Treliving out of the way and made the decision for him. Everything we have heard from both Sutter and Treliving since the hiring completely contradicts this idea, to say nothing of this ridiculous narrative you continue to spout about Treliving sabatoging his team in order to avoid a "power struggle."


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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not that ridiculous. Having watched the press conference cover to cover twice now I agree that Treliving was obviously uncomfortable about something.

After just firing his head coach, whom he then went on to laud as a "great man"? Gee, I wonder what it was that was upsetting him.

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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not that ridiculous. Having watched the press conference cover to cover twice now I agree that Treliving was obviously uncomfortable about something.

Perhaps your right. Maybe I just need to clean my crystal ball so I can get a better read on people's faces.

If there is any question as to whether ownership trusts Treliving, why have they not made a move at that position and why would they allow Treliving to hire another coach, to a long term contract no less?

Sorry, but reading peoples faces through the TV/internet is a fools errand. But have at it, if you like.

[Heavy Jack]

‘This is why we can’t have nice things’

Is what springs to mind when I see threads like these.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, you cannot.


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Incorrect. You may not but I can. I think many of us noted that he had a strange awkward look in his face during the entire presser. He didn't look like a guy that was introducing his guy that day. Take a look at his body language when he was introducing Peters. Night and day difference.

[Kovaz]

Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Incorrect. You may not but I can. I think many of us noted that he had a strange awkward look in his face during the entire presser. He didn't look like a guy that was introducing his guy that day. Take a look at his body language when he was introducing Peters. Night and day difference.

No, you cannot. You only think you can. And while Treliving did appear tired or "uncomfortable" during the PC, there are dozens of reasons for why that might be. Most notably, he had just fired his head coach—whom he very clearly cares about and deeply respects—within the last 24-hours. This is a substantially more plausible explanation for what we all think we saw on 5 March than your fable about Sutter not being his guy.

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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not that ridiculous. Having watched the press conference cover to cover twice now I agree that Treliving was obviously uncomfortable about something.

Following up on Textcritic's comment, didn't Treliving also describe firing people one of the 'miserable' parts of the business? Treliving did what he had to do. It likely wasn't an enjoyable experience for him. Pretty sure Treliving is well aware that having to do this again is, in part, due to his own failings as well. Ward had to walk the plank, but the dirt is on the hands of the players, the coach, and the GM. It was a failing of the group. Not an individual.

So if Treliving wasn't publicly dancing on Ward's proverbial grave during the press conference maybe fans shouldn't be reading into his facial expressions?

Sometimes things are said here that really highlight the naivety fans can sometimes have.

[Wolfman]

Bottom line is...Tkachuk has to start pulling his weight. If he does not or is incapable of doing so you move on from him.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I’ve noticed the same look on Johnny and Tkachuk. They’re both bolting, I can tell by their faces. It’s pure science.