2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[alan21]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd argue that anything we've seen in Buffalo from Eichel/Hall this year is not something we should use as a baseline. The whole team has been a tire fire.

Eichel is the piece that Treliving should be after. Everything else is just noise. If we can acquire Eichel without giving up Lindholm, Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Mangiapane and Markstrom - then it should be done.

#1 Goalie: Markstrom
#1 Centre: Eichel
#2 Centre: Lindholm
#1 Defenceman: Hanifin
#2 Defenceman: Andersson
#3 Defenceman: Valimaki
Head Coach: Darryl Sutter

That could be a championship contending core. Everything else around that is easier to fill. Right now we need to fill that #1 centre position, and Eichel is that.

So you feel that we already have 6/7 pieces to be a legit contender?
I would like to fully agree with that but would going from Monahan to Eichel be that big of a difference and not to mention we probably will be adding another big piece with futures included to even have a shot at Eichel.

Or do you just swing for the fences and straight up offer Monahan. Gaudreau and Tkachuk for Eichel + Hall?

What does either side have to lose at this point? It clearly isn't going to work as is. Lets see some bold moves!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd argue that anything we've seen in Buffalo from Eichel/Hall this year is not something we should use as a baseline. The whole team has been a tire fire.

Eichel is the piece that Treliving should be after. Everything else is just noise. If we can acquire Eichel without giving up Lindholm, Hanifin, Andersson, Valimaki, Mangiapane and Markstrom - then it should be done.

#1 Goalie: Markstrom
#1 Centre: Eichel
#2 Centre: Lindholm
#1 Defenceman: Hanifin
#2 Defenceman: Andersson
#3 Defenceman: Valimaki
Head Coach: Darryl Sutter

That could be a championship contending core. Everything else around that is easier to fill. Right now we need to fill that #1 centre position, and Eichel is that.

I guess the question then becomes - how much depth do you give up that you then have to replace and why does Buffalo do it? I know it's partly to deal with unhappy Eichel, but if they are entering into rebuild Mark 3, it strikes me that Andersson/Valimaki are probably part of the ask, as well as some of the farm and picks. In addition to Monahan/Tkachuk/Gaudreau.

[Monahammer]

Domi and Laine for Tkachuk and Bennett? Maybe?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Whoa, where did Hall come into this equation? Hall wasn't part of any deal. With Hall involved that is a non-starter. We're moving out just short of $14M in salary and bringing in $18M. It is not likely that Hall is going to take much of a step backwards from his current $8M salary. So you have to figure out how you're going to fit $18M in the budget AND resign Gaudreau (which I think is a lost cause). Or are you suggesting Hall in place of Gaudreau? Because we've seen that in Buffalo right now and we know that doesn't work. I would not want to go that route in any shape or form. I'm open to Eichel, just don't think the squeeze is worth the juice.



What extra cap space are you talking about here? Eichel is $10M. Hall is not going to take much of a hair cut on the $8M he is making this year, no matter how badly his numbers look. He isn't going to give Calgary a hometown discount to where he fits in the budget. If that were in the cards I think it would have happened this past summer. I think Hall has his eyes set elsewhere.

The cap space issue actually closes the window, not extend it. We would have to completely retool several areas of the team. We don't have enough quality young cost controlled players to fill out the team in the spots we need bodies. So we're going to have to rely on more guys at league minimum and players that are going to have to punch above their weight class. This is exactly where Milan Lucic's contract is massive anchor and detriment to the team. With these high priced players, you need to squeeze every dollar out of every player contract so you can afford the best middle six possible.



So you're suggesting that Gaudreau is going to be on another line and not with Eichel? What was the use of bringing in Eichel again? Who is Eichel going to play with? You're going to have to throw up a proposed lineup because you've lost me here. We're carving up the depth we have on the top lines to bring in a player who can't get it done in Buffalo, only to give him less talent to work with?

I included Hall in my reply to the poster we both quoted, so that’s my bad. I said Tkachuk + Monahan + 2021 1st (top 3 protected, goes to 2022 1st if we miraculously win a spot on the lottery), + B prospect for Eichel and Hall (@50%). So Hall at 50% cancels out the cap problem you pointed out.

Next, you said that we would’ve had Hall by now if he really wanted to be here and take a discount. I disagree, because Hall took a while to sign somewhere. It was finally a team, like Buffalo, who has a history of not making the playoffs often as of late and hopes that they could make it by offering a great amount of money for one year. It didn’t work out, now I think Hall looks for some stability at a 25% pay cut, if not more.

My lines would’ve been:

Gaudreau/Hall - Eichel - Mangiapane
Hall/Gaudreau - Lindholm - Dube
Lucic - Backlund - X
X - X - X

You get the gist of it. To land Eichel without giving up our best forward would be a miracle and something that should be done.

The one downside that I do see, and something that you’ve pointed out, is the inability to potentially extend Gaudreau for next season. I would argue that you could probably fit Johnny in if Giordano takes a massive pay cut if he thinks this team has what it takes to win it all in a couple of seasons.

Just my line of thinking. I think we’re a better team with Eichel and Hall over Tkachuk and Monahan.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by alan21

So you feel that we already have 6/7 pieces to be a legit contender?
I would like to fully agree with that but would going from Monahan to Eichel be that big of a difference and not to mention we probably will be adding another big piece with futures included to even have a shot at Eichel.

Or do you just swing for the fences and straight up offer Monahan. Gaudreau and Tkachuk for Eichel + Hall?

What does either side have to lose at this point? It clearly isn't going to work as is. Lets see some bold moves!

On paper they are very similar but in my opinion the different is this:

Monahan is a special player that has already peaked
Eichel is a special player that still hasn't peaked

If Eichel doesn't turn out to be what we hoped, at least we tried. I just think the Monahan Tkachuk Gaudreau core experiment is over. They just don't have it. And I don't want to be qualifying Tkachuk for 9 million next year.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess the question then becomes - how much depth do you give up that you then have to replace and why does Buffalo do it? I know it's partly to deal with unhappy Eichel, but if they are entering into rebuild Mark 3, it strikes me that Andersson/Valimaki are probably part of the ask, as well as some of the farm and picks. In addition to Monahan/Tkachuk/Gaudreau.

I think it’s possible to get Eichel and not sell the farm in picks and prospects but there needs to be a 3rd team involved.

Monahan or Gaudreau to a team like philly or Montreal for picks and prospects

Tkachuk and picks and prospects for Eichel might work

Depends on return for gaudreau or monahan would will depend if it is worth it or not

[powderjunkie]

I know BUF has a long history of bone-headed moves, but I don't see them jumping at Tkachuk with his road to free agency.


I think they'd be seeking something like Andersson + Lindholm + 1st. I'd rather do something like Valimaki + Monahan + protected 1st, but I doubt that gets it done.

I think the post above is correct about requiring multiple deals.

[TheRealPepman]

Is it possible to bring back Rieder at the deadline?

[TheScorpion]

Is Rieder really worth giving up an asset to acquire? Maybe if he's coming to Calgary as part of a bigger deal—sure. As a rental by himself, I fail to see the point.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TheRealPepman

Is it possible to bring back Rieder at the deadline?

We can probably just sign him for free during the offseason. With our current record it's pointless to unload a draft pick for a bottom 6 player, and we have a lot of those already.

[Mr.Coffee]

We need to trade Gaudreau like yesterday. The 1,000 yard stares of sadness every interview should tell you everything you need to know about him. Salvage the value now.

Don’t Iginla this. God, they’re totally going to Iginla this aren’t they?

You need to do it as soon as possible, while there’s contract left.

[memphusk]

He seems like he's always homesick.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

We need to trade Gaudreau like yesterday. The 1,000 yard stares of sadness every interview should tell you everything you need to know about him. Salvage the value now.

Don’t Iginla this. God, they’re totally going to Iginla this aren’t they?

You need to do it as soon as possible, while there’s contract left.

Yes, good idea. Trade the team’s #1 goal scorer and powerplay quarterback. Less goals and less offensive zone entries sounds like a new strategy to win less games.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yes, good idea. Trade the team’s #1 goal scorer and powerplay quarterback. Less goals and less offensive zone entries sounds like a new strategy to win less games.

Exactly.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I know BUF has a long history of bone-headed moves, but I don't see them jumping at Tkachuk with his road to free agency.

Yeah, probably not Buffalo. It's about as risky to them as it would be for the Flames to keep him until the RFA hammer drops.

The best bet would be to trade him to a team that is confident that they can sign him to a more suitable long term extension before the QO is due. A team that is likely on Tkachuk's short-list.

I'm thinking NYR, L.A., St. Louis, and maybe Pittsburgh. Possibly even Dallas, Chicago, or Tampa. The large markets or teams that have a history of winning.

I don't think Columbus or Buffalo would be down for the flight risk any more than Calgary should be (or any Canadian team for that matter).

I like Tkachuk and I think he is a mature professional. I doubt he would ever flat out say he doesn't want to play in Canada, but I suspect if given the choice, he would leave for the U.S. His father is very entrenched in the American hockey zeitgeist having represented his country at multiple levels and being inducted into the USA hockey hall of fame. I was also living in Winnipeg when he played there and recall him pissing off the fanbase by saying the Jets should move to an American market so they could pay him what he was asking while holding out for a contract. Maybe he was right at the time, but it showed a lack of empathy, even disdain. I know Matt isn't his dad, but I would not be surprised if he has similar feelings.

Gaudreau might be a little different actually having some Canadian heritage.

[Icon]

In fairly irrelevant trade news, sounds like Jonas Johanssen (Buffalo goalie) is being traded to Colorado to backup Grubauer. Guess it means Francouz is still out for a while, and Miska's been terrible.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Yes, good idea. Trade the team’s #1 goal scorer and powerplay quarterback. Less goals and less offensive zone entries sounds like a new strategy to win less games.

I like both Johnny and Tkachuk, but the fact is, both are flight risks.

You are going to lose them within the next 3 years, you might as well get something for them.

The team cannot allow them to leave without getting good assets back.

Maybe these moves happen in the off season before Johnny's NTC kicks in. Or they happen this season if it doesn't look like Darryl can pull off the miracle.

[dammage79]

IMO you keep at forward:
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Dube
And on defense:
Hanifin
Tanev
Valimaki
Andersson
Kylington

Ppl will freak for not including Mangiapane but I think you can really make a huge swing for a top tier RHS fw if you add him to a trade.

Everyone else is fluid and open for trades out of the fw group.

That's all I have on roster movement today. And it's just my preference.

We are stuck with Sutter for 3 years so we have to build the roster moving forward accordingly. And I know he like his centers. I think he wants some more meat on the wings.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

IMO you keep at forward:
Monahan
Lindholm
Tkachuk
Dube
And on defense:
Hanifin
Tanev
Valimaki
Andersson
Kylington

Ppl will freak for not including Mangiapane but I think you can really make a huge swing for a top tier RHS fw if you add him to a trade.

Everyone else is fluid and open for trades out of the fw group.

That's all I have on roster movement today. And it's just my preference.

We are stuck with Sutter for 3 years so we have to build the roster moving forward accordingly. And I know he like his centers. I think he wants some more meat on the wings.

Losing Mangiapane would be an epic fail by Calgary, we’d be looking for someone like him after he was traded. He has one of the hardest workers if not the hardest working one on the team and a strong work ethic.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I guess the question then becomes - how much depth do you give up that you then have to replace and why does Buffalo do it? I know it's partly to deal with unhappy Eichel, but if they are entering into rebuild Mark 3, it strikes me that Andersson/Valimaki are probably part of the ask, as well as some of the farm and picks. In addition to Monahan/Tkachuk/Gaudreau.

I think Flames could get it done.

Monahan
Zary or Pelletier
2021 1st
2022 2nd (Upgraded to 1st if Flames make conference finals in the 21/22 season)

If they'd rather have Tkachuk than Monahan then I think I try to remove Zary or Pelletier.

Tkachuk
2021 1st
2022 2nd (Upgraded to 1st Flames make conference finals in the 21/22 season)

Either one feels like an overpayment, especially compared to the Seguin/ROR/Duchene/Hall trades. But I'd probably do it for Eichel.

As ComixZone posted if you go into next season with this as your core:

#1 Goalie: Markstrom

#1 Centre: Eichel
#2 Centre: Lindholm
#3 Centre: Backlund

#1 Winger: Gaudreau
#2 Winger: Tkachuk/Monahan (maybe try 23 on LW)
#3 Winger: Mangiapane
#4 Winger: Dube

First Pair: Hanifin - Tanev
Second Pair: Gio - Andersson
Third Pair: Valimaki - ????

Head Coach: Darryl Sutter

You should be able to build a winner around that core easily.