[PGT] Flames lose 7-3 to Edmonton...

[dino7c]

How many of you guys went to an Oiler forum on Monday night after the game?

I sure as hell didn't

[TheScorpion]

Three things I would do to change the Flames right now:

- Reunite Tkachuk with Backlund. It's a combo that works and is effective at both ends.
- Put Monahan on the wing. I'm not sold on him being an NHL option down the middle right now. With Lindholm looking effective at centre, Monahan might be redundant.
- Reunite Ryan with Mangiapane for a secondary match-up combo.

Hear me out...

Tkachuk - Backlund - Monahan
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Mangiapane
Leivo - Bennett - Ritchie

Rotate Phillips in there, too.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Three things I would do to change the Flames right now:

- Reunite Tkachuk with Backlund. It's a combo that works and is effective at both ends.
- Put Monahan on the wing. I'm not sold on him being an NHL option down the middle right now. With Lindholm looking effective at centre, Monahan might be redundant.
- Reunite Ryan with Mangiapane for a secondary match-up combo.

Hear me out...

Tkachuk - Backlund - Monahan
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Mangiapane
Leivo - Bennett - Ritchie

Rotate Phillips in there, too.

Gotta let Sutter do his job

[TheScorpion]

Haha I agree—but I think he'd be doing his job the best if he went with those line combinations (or something similar) and stuck with them for a solid 10 games.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Put Monahan on the wing. I'm not sold on him being an NHL option down the middle right now.

I know we just lost a hockey game, but suggesting Sean Monahan isn't an NHL center is one of the looniest things I've read in a long time.

[Flamenfame]

Keep Hanifin and Lindholm rest can go , been saying for years you don't build around a small winger , Gaudreau has high value move him out we won't win with him

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I know we just lost a hockey game, but suggesting Sean Monahan isn't an NHL center is one of the looniest things I've read in a long time.

The key words are "right now." He has been one. He's not playing like one on his current line.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I know we just lost a hockey game, but suggesting Sean Monahan isn't an NHL center is one of the looniest things I've read in a long time.

Is he a top center in your mind?

Might be just me but my belief is a top line center can carry the puck like it's a biscuit looking for a dog to feed not a hot potato burning his fingers.

Monahan does a great job at finding open areas and shooting the puck, in my world he should be on the wing using his size and shooting ability.

[LiquidX]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Monahan does a great job at finding open areas and shooting the puck, in my world he should be on the wing using his size and shooting ability.

Found the flaw in your plan.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Three things I would do to change the Flames right now:

- Reunite Tkachuk with Backlund. It's a combo that works and is effective at both ends.
- Put Monahan on the wing. I'm not sold on him being an NHL option down the middle right now. With Lindholm looking effective at centre, Monahan might be redundant.
- Reunite Ryan with Mangiapane for a secondary match-up combo.

Hear me out...

Tkachuk - Backlund - Monahan
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Mangiapane
Leivo - Bennett - Ritchie

Rotate Phillips in there, too.

I like the idea of reuniting Backlund-Tkachuk and I’ve been a proponent of this for a while, they’ve been two peas in a pod and the chemistry their chemistry is unmatched. Still not sure why they haven’t gone back to this duo. As good as Lindholm is, he’s not as good as Backlund on the cycle and that’s what Tkachuk needs, someone he can cycle for entire shifts with.

Lindholm and Dube seem more like counter strikers, turnover-score, off the rush-score. Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm in 2018/2019 scored most of their even strength goals off the rush, a lot on the forecheck and very few on the cycle. The coaching staff really should look into matching the players by strengths.

I would personally try:

Dube-Lindholm-Leivo
Mangiapane-Backlund-Tkachuk
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ritchie
Lucic-Ryan-Bennett

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Is he a top center in your mind?

Might be just me but my belief is a top line center can carry the puck like it's a biscuit looking for a dog to feed not a hot potato burning his fingers.

Monahan does a great job at finding open areas and shooting the puck, in my world he should be on the wing using his size and shooting ability.

Aside from the recent 2-goal game against MTL, I haven't found Monahan's shot to be that good lately either. Players have been getting him the puck in the slot, but he's just not scoring like he has in past seasons. Not sure why.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Take heart and keep faith. If anyone knows their way around a pile of manure it's Darryl Sutter.

Yup. We're in the infancy stage of what he is instilling here.

The folding act won't disappear overnight. With each instance of adversity they'll have to work it out of their systems incrementally.

Sutter has said himself its about playing the right way most of all.

Rather than continuing to just play the right way, these guys developed a habit of looking at the scoreboard/whats happened and exert themselves accordingly.

In order to pull back into a game you have to continue plugging away doing the things that bring you success, and trust in it. And you can't let a bad bounce or bad call against you deter you from continuing to play that way.

Folding is not the answer, at any stage in the game or in any circumstance. It's a habit that is ingrained and will have to be worked out of them with time.

Going from quit to no-quit may take us into next season. Do people here have the patience for that? I hope so cause bigger picture is where the payoff will likely be.

[WhiteTiger]

Oof, glad I didn't stay up to watch this one.

Can't win 'em all, but always sucks losing to the Coilers.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by memphusk

When he says this team isn't mature enough, he's not wrong.

Yeah.

Johnny's hissy fits really epitomize that immaturity. You wouldn't see Jarome slamming gates and frustrating himself. He would simply dial back in with even more focus. He learned early how to direct frustration the right way.

Between the ears even some of these 26 year olds have to mature, harden a bit and drop the woe is me routine. Frustration only exacerbates the issues. You have to respond with intention and action. Switch up your pre game routine, simplify your game, focus on throwing a hit, or just finishing the next shift right.

The kids have this mentality that if they can't play the hero and score the big goal and something goes wrong then they should throw in the towel. It's about commitment and responsibility shift to shift and being a reliable cog in the wheel, even if you're not producing. You let down your end and get complacent like a number of players did and the game blows up on you.

Play the right way even if you're on your way to a loss. It's about getting to the point where playing smart, responsible and engaged is your baseline.

You'll still lose some games even playing that way (goalies, bounces, calls will not always favor you), but in the end you WILL win more than you lose. And you won't lose by a landslide. And that's the point.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Back2Back

I'm not a troll i'm an objective Oilers fan.

If the Flames are good enough to be in the playoffs, i'm hoping for a BOA, It would be great for both fanbases.

Objective Oilers fan? No, you’re a comedian.

[The Cobra]

Bad game for sure, but at the end of the day, it’s still just one game. Move on, get better.


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Bad game for sure, but at the end of the day, it’s still just one game. Move on, get better.


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Will make for a better story when they eventually overcome their mcdemons and figure out how to play those guys smartly and methodically and no longer play intimidated.

We're on the way there under Sutter. Just a matter of when we'll achieve that understanding and buy in from every one.

[Mindtravellee]

I want to see Johnny and Tkachuk switch just to see how it goes

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

well, they did score, and ended the night with 1 goal for and none against

Backlund's line was on the ice for 4 ES goals against

Seems a bit odd to be directing the angst on Monahan's line, given those facts

You would like to see more from your best players but the Backlund line sunk the team last night and deserves a lot of criticism with the goaltender. You aren't going to win many games when your main checking line is playing like sieves against the opposition's top line.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Sutter is a guy that likes to preach back-to-basics, so get the #### back to basics. Go to lines that have proven to be highly successful!

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane
Lucic-Bennett-Dube
Nordstrom-Ryan-Ritchie

Just get it done. If the team ####s the bed with that lineup then its time to start firing guys into the sun. If they can't play on lines which have proven to be highly successful, then its time to move the hell on.