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[kermitology]

Originally Posted by FireFly

People assume it's the common used definition of agnosticism because... that's what's commonly used.

That's called ignorance. It's like assuming all Christians are Southern Baptists hell bent on converting everyone they meet.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Shouldn't they forgiven them?

I have a hard time following this...

But if you're asking if they should be forgiven, I would say, absolutely. The New Testament talks numerous times about forgiving your fellow man.

And great post Sparks. Very well said.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by flames85

sure you are, stand for something, Do you agree with gay marriages?

I am standing for something when I'm saying to Christians everywhere to shut up and mind your own sins. Stay out of other people's walks with God and worry about your own. Who are you to say that gay marriage is wrong when likely you commit sins just like gays do? Have you ever had premarital sex? Drank to excess? Swear? Use the Lord's name in vein? Idolized anyone? (You ARE on a Flames message board, and I know I watch more hockey than I go to church...) Coveted thy neighbour's wife?

Yeah, so worry about yourself and don't worry about what other people do in their bedrooms. You need to be more concerned with getting your own ass into heaven than about someone else's behind. You are judging others. Jesus told you to quit.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flames85

sure you are, stand for something, Do you agree with gay marriages?

Yes.

And my stance has absolutely nothing to do with religious reasons.

But wait for it, heres the real burner....I think homosexuality is a sin, and a vile, foul act, yet I still agree with gay marriage.

Go figure.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by Azure

And where exactly in the New Testament does it say to put people who work on Sundays to death, and publicly stone disobedient children?

While it isn't those passages, have you ever read parts of Dueteronomy? Ever worn a wool sweater?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Here's a question for you. If you're going to use nature as a reason that homosexuality is not a sin, why then do you not use that same example for rape and cannibalism and polygamy? All of those things are also displayed in nature, but it's a fairly common opinion that they're all bad things. Why are some things in nature okay, and others not?

I wasn't aware that I used nature as a reason for homosexuality as being acceptable. But the answer to your questions is society. Rape, cannibalism and polygamy have been accepted in societies of the past and present (not so much cannibalism currently). Parallelling humans and animals is not what I am trying to do.

So as our society stands right now we are against those three. We have come to this conculsion based on our morals and ethics. Our society are largely deemed that homosexuality is acceptable. But religion bases things on their own guide of morals and ethics. And I am trying to see it from their perspective.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by kermitology

That's called ignorance. It's like assuming all Christians are Southern Baptists hell bent on converting everyone they meet.

You're right, I was ignorant, that's why I asked for clarification. Your response right there was just plain rude. I'd rather be ignorant than an *******.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kermitology

While it isn't those passages, have you ever read parts of Dueteronomy? Ever worn a wool sweater?

Shhhhh, thats the Old Testament.



I have read it, and found it quite strange. I do think there are certain Bible verses in the New Testament that say to disregard the petty laws of the Old Testament.

Now I would have to go look for it, so don't ask.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by kermitology

That's called ignorance. It's like assuming all Christians are Southern Baptists hell bent on converting everyone they meet.

Actually, I was taught being agnostic was fence sitting in my World Religions class.

I had to go look it up afterward.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yes.

And my stance has absolutely nothing to do with religious reasons.

But wait for it, heres the real burner....I think homosexuality is a sin, and a vile, foul act, yet I still agree with gay marriage.

Go figure.

well then you contradict yourself. you can't agree with it and say its a sin.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by Azure

And where exactly in the New Testament does it say to put people who work on Sundays to death, and publicly stone disobedient children?

Well flames85 quoted Leviticus which is the old testament.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Burninator

I wasn't aware that I used nature as a reason for homosexuality as being acceptable. But the answer to your questions is society. Rape, cannibalism and polygamy have been accepted in societies of the past and present (not so much cannibalism currently). Parallelling humans and animals is not what I am trying to do.

So as our society stands right now we are against those three. We have come to this conculsion based on our morals and ethics. Our society are largely deemed that homosexuality is acceptable. But religion bases things on their own guide of morals and ethics. And I am trying to see it from their perspective.

Ah, see. Now we're both guilty of assuming things. I wasn't trying to point fingers at you in particular, however a lot of 'pro-gay' people point to nature as a reason to justify it's acceptance. I was using that same debate against them...

And society once thought hammer pants were cool... is society always right? Should I accept something because most people do? Wouldn't that make me a Leaf fan?

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I am standing for something when I'm saying to Christians everywhere to shut up and mind your own sins. Stay out of other people's walks with God and worry about your own. Who are you to say that gay marriage is wrong when likely you commit sins just like gays do? Have you ever had premarital sex? Drank to excess? Swear? Use the Lord's name in vein? Idolized anyone? (You ARE on a Flames message board, and I know I watch more hockey than I go to church...) Coveted thy neighbour's wife?

Yeah, so worry about yourself and don't worry about what other people do in their bedrooms. You need to be more concerned with getting your own ass into heaven than about someone else's behind. You are judging others. Jesus told you to quit.

yeah thats understandable, at the same time we are supposed to help others deal with the situations, and like you said not judging them. jesus said to love your niegbor(sp) as yourself so we should help others and this doesnt mean to judge them and tell them they are going to hell. this doesnt happen alot but non christians or people who choose a homosexual lifestyle experience the odd few who are condemning people and not considering that we all sin and fall short of the glory of god. we all sin, but at the same time we should help eachother with our problems(but not if we dont think its a problem). for someone who doesnt agree with homosexual activities they can have an opinion on it and try to inform and tell someone what they know or believe about it but not jam it down there throats. wow that was long, i hope that made sense

[Azure]

Originally Posted by flames85

well then you contradict yourself. you can't agree with it and say its a sin.

No I don't contradict myself.

My agreement with gay marriage has nothing to do with religious reasons. I agree with it because it is the 'right' of Canadian citizens to marry whomever they want.

I do not have the power to take that from them.

I will never agree with it from a moral, ethical standpoint though. But you cannot disagree with gay marriage if you think the government should treat everyone fairly, and grant equal rights to all.

And yes, for the record, as long as there is no seperation between Church and State, I think marriage is a right.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Well flames85 quoted Leviticus which is the old testament.

And you do realize Christianity is based on the teachings in the New Testament?

[flames85]

Originally Posted by FireFly

I am standing for something when I'm saying to Christians everywhere to shut up and mind your own sins. Stay out of other people's walks with God and worry about your own. Who are you to say that gay marriage is wrong when likely you commit sins just like gays do? Have you ever had premarital sex? Drank to excess? Swear? Use the Lord's name in vein? Idolized anyone? (You ARE on a Flames message board, and I know I watch more hockey than I go to church...) Coveted thy neighbour's wife?

Yeah, so worry about yourself and don't worry about what other people do in their bedrooms. You need to be more concerned with getting your own ass into heaven than about someone else's behind. You are judging others. Jesus told you to quit.

how is it fair for you to ask me why christians such as myself don't like homosexuals, yet i can't ask you if you agree with it or not. And you should share the word of God with others, its not just about minding your own business. why doesn't everyone mind their own business and let murder's murder people, because it's a sin and it's wrong, you don't just let them get away and mind your own business!

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by flames85

once again, It's not the homosexuals christians don't like, rather its the sin they are commiting.

Semantics. Replace sinner with sin then.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

yeah thats understandable, at the same time we are supposed to help others deal with the situations, and like you said not judging them. jesus said to love your niegbor(sp) as yourself so we should help others and this doesnt mean to judge them and tell them they are going to hell. this doesnt happen alot but non christians or people who choose a homosexual lifestyle experience the odd few who are condemning people and not considering that we all sin and fall short of the glory of god. we all sin, but at the same time we should help eachother with our problems(but not if we dont think its a problem). for someone who doesnt agree with homosexual activities they can have an opinion on it and try to inform and tell someone what they know or believe about it but not jam it down there throats. wow that was long, i hope that made sense

No, no it didn't. I'm going to help you by suggesting you read a book on grammar and punctuation.

[kermitology]

Still wondering flames85.. is the bible literal fact to you?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Semantics. Replace sinner with sin then.

Quit stretching it.

There is a damn difference, you just want to ignore it.

For whatever sensible reason outside of wanting to blame Christians for something they rightly don't believe, I don't know.