[PGT] Flames beat Montreal, 3-1!

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by TBone290

Use to love that gif till I realized the middle of the machine is up his ast to the tits almost

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Re: Kylington

For those that missed it, in the post-game interviews Ryan Huska talked about how since Tuesday it has felt like a complete reset in the locker room and he specifically named Kylington as a player that "feels like he has a new lease on life".

This may just be the tip of the iceberg for this guy. A type of player with every tool you want in today's game. Exciting.

And then we'd lose him, unfortunately.

[FBI]

Johnny is looking shifty again!

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

4 coaches and this core can't do anything it must be the core's fault m i right

Originally Posted by btimbit

But the usual suspects told me the coach wasn't the problem

Hate to get in the way of a solid I told you so, but isn't the core somewhat flawed if it takes a two time cup winner (3) and future hall of fame task master to get them to try every game?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hate to get in the way of a solid I told you so, but isn't the core somewhat flawed if it takes a two time cup winner (3) and future hall of fame task master to get them to try every game?

Isn’t a coach’s job to motivate?

Or maybe we should all just agree that success is on the players and the coaches equally so we can put this whole damn thing to rest lol

[red sky]

Sample size isn't big enough to make an assessment although it has been a complete 180 in terms of systems or maybe more accurately, execution. Time will tell.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hate to get in the way of a solid I told you so, but isn't the core somewhat flawed if it takes a two time cup winner (3) and future hall of fame task master to get them to try every game?

As someone who said (a) Ward wasn’t good; (b) it was not necessarily “systems”, but rather, buy-in and execution; and (c) the benefit of a big name coach would be to send a message that the coach would win any future coach v. player disconnect, I’m gonna claim my own vindication.

Hell, I even quibbled when people complained about Ward using dump and chase - I said he didn’t use it and I wished he would.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Some of those among us are seemingly anhedonic #######s. Enjoy the change and get swept up in the Sutter mania. Shared delusion helps everyone believe, and we actually need this team to believe in itself more than ever.

Great post I agree. Part of the overall city / team / fans equilibrium is also that I think the fans and city have a role too (not a huge one, but are a factor into the overall picture. Definitely this could be the case with fans in the building so a bit harder to know if this is a factor with no fans in the building when the players can’t sense the energy and buzz of the fans. You even see research into this type of effect with respect to sports teams and “home ice advantage”.

In 2004 when the city started to believe the team could get it done the players can feel it. Sounds cheesy and intangible and weird but there is a sense of community with the fans. I think that, if I was a player, I’d be on here for example reading fans opinions when times are going well.

The quicker fans get on board believing that Sutter hockey and this new team can do it the better. Personally we have seen what a Sutter led team can do, and we also know that when this core is on they are so extremely dangerous.

TL/DR- the faster the fans buy in the better as it will help build momentum for a Cinderella run and or huge success.

Yes I am aware we are getting way ahead of ourselves after 2 games. But remember the Flames are 2-0 not whatever the standings tell you. New team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Deegee

I can't wait until we jump the Oilers in the standings. Screw those guys.

They'd only be a point back now if they didn't blow that lead in the third last Saturday.

Dangit!

[oldschoolcalgary]

its been a great 2 games.

Really hoping that calgary has turned the corner here and that guys who weren't tapped before, like Kylington, are able to use this to reset.

I think you'd have to see at least 10 games to determine if this new found discipline sticks with these guys.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They'd only be a point back now if they didn't blow that lead in the third last Saturday.

Dangit!

Was saying to a buddy - while Sutter hockey is close, and low scoring, you need to run up a score on Edmonton, because you can be winning the play all game, and if they are within a goal or two the refs may step in or they may simply just play McDrai for 10 minutes at the end and fluke out a goal.

[zamler]

Sutter hockey is not always low scoring, L.A. Cup runs had high scoring games especially against Chicago.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sutter hockey is not always low scoring, L.A. Cup runs had high scoring games especially against Chicago.

To me “Sutter hockey” is just high compete hockey. I don’t think it’s some rigid crazy defensive system that doesn’t allow you to generate scoring chances - it’s all just about leaving it all on the ice every shift and if you don’t, there are visible repercussions (ice time).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018

It was by far the best Kylington night of his career. He looked confident and used his blazing speed to get in the play every time. His speed is such an asset if used correctly.

Not sold on Nesterov as 6D so this was a pleasant surprise.

Would love to hear from DS if he has corrected something with Kylington. But if he keeps playing like that he is sure to be a Kraken come June.

Kylington's best asset - by far - is his skating but many of us have been lamenting that he doesn't use it - too much standing around, likely focused on positional play and what he is 'supposed to be doing".

Tonight he was skating all over the ice, using his speed. He was also head-manning the puck much more effectively, removing pressure from himself.

Ward's D to D, 'set it up in the defensive zone' strategy was probably the worst imaginable for Kylington - him having to play along the boards in his own zone is the last thing you want him doing. Sutter's fast transition, high pressure hockey suits him much better.

And I agree, I thought last night was his best game as a Flame so far.

[868904]

Originally Posted by edslunch

I’m curious how Sutter deals with McDavid. I wonder if he assigns Connor’s old buddy Sam to get intimate with him all game. I feel like Bennett would thrive in a “you have one job to do and we’re counting on you” role, and especially when it involves making someone else’s life miserable.

Bennett is tough but he’s not really that kind of guy, I don’t know that he has that kind of mean spirit in him.

Maybe if Darryl tells him to pretend that McDavid is Geoff Ward.

I think the way Darryl defends against McDavid is to be offensive and force him to play in his own end all night.

I’d love to hear Darryl’s responses when the McDavid love fest starts up in pre-game.

“Gretz couldn’t even hold McDavid’s jock strap. This is the greatest player I’ve ever seen. He’s probably going to outscore us Sutters all time and it’s going to be our greatest honour to be mentioned in the same breath as him.”

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by AC

That's suggesting Montreal beat themselves basically though. We dominated Montreal through 2 games, with both scores flattering them IMO.

Yeah I took it as an analogy of the playoffs not the performance in the game itself. But overall I agree, the Flames didn't "let" anything happen.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hate to get in the way of a solid I told you so, but isn't the core somewhat flawed if it takes a two time cup winner (3) and future hall of fame task master to get them to try every game?

I think the issue here is that 'try' isn't the right word.

No doubt they were 'trying' under Ward. But if you're being asked to do things that aren't resulting in success, it is difficult to remain motivated (and play your best). If you are given a role that isn't well suited to you being successful, it is difficult to remain motivated. If you don't 'believe' in what your team is doing, it is hard to be motivated.

If your confidence and belief structure is shot, it is impossible to play well.

No one was blaming everything on the coach. But many people were saying this team doesn't have enough talent, and a new coach won't really matter much. Others (myself included) felt the talent was there and the right coach could make a huge difference.

At the end of the day, it is the coach's job to have the team playing well. Ward was not accomplishing that.

Now, under Sutter, some things have changed instantly: primarily moving the puck faster, playing faster, and playing with more intensity. Is it up to the players to play with intensity? Yes. Is it up to the coach to create an environment whereby the players can play their best and be successful? Yes.

Criticizing the players because they weren't 'trying' before is kind of petty, to be frank, and comes across as being bitter for the "I told you so' comments (which yes, are very premature at this point).

[Bingo]

Got a kick out of this ...

Berkshire produces some really good content, but he's always clearly been a Montreal fan.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1370907167801417729

[Coach]

A slog for the other team maybe. I enjoy watching my team play with pace and stifle the opponent with pressure and physicality.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

As someone who said (a) Ward wasn’t good; (b) it was not necessarily “systems”, but rather, buy-in and execution; and (c) the benefit of a big name coach would be to send a message that the coach would win any future coach v. player disconnect, I’m gonna claim my own vindication.

Hell, I even quibbled when people complained about Ward using dump and chase - I said he didn’t use it and I wished he would.

Sorry, but this is a blatant example of: people see what they want to see. The two bolded comments contradict each other, by the way.

Did you say all those things? Yes, somewhere in the dozens and dozens of posts you made, criticizing people for criticizing Ward. Sorry, but for you to be claiming vindication right now is... well, you do you, I guess.