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ComixZone · 03-12-2021, 10:05 AM

I like the basis of the PHI deal. Konecny + 2nd for Gaudreau would be something I’d look at. Philly knows they’re getting a guy who will be there for the next 7-8 years, and we get a RHS RW who is younger and may fit the style of the team better going forward.

1qqaaz · 03-12-2021, 10:18 AM

I just don't see how 1 year of Gaudreau is worth more than 4 years of Konecny at $5.5 mill.

Yes, Gaudreau might be the better player.

But after this year, Konecny's contract is 4 times longer. It would take a huge difference in player quality to overcome a term difference like that.

ComixZone · 03-12-2021, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I just don't see how 1 year of Gaudreau is worth more than 4 years of Konecny at $5.5 mill.

Yes, Gaudreau might be the better player.

But after this year, Konecny's contract is 4 times longer. It would take a huge difference in player quality to overcome a term difference like that.

Gaudreau is flat out a different tier of player, and Philly would be acquiring Gaudreau knowing that he would be there long-term. Plus, salary cap out/salary cap in.

flambers · 03-12-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I just don't see how 1 year of Gaudreau is worth more than 4 years of Konecny at $5.5 mill.

Yes, Gaudreau might be the better player.

But after this year, Konecny's contract is 4 times longer. It would take a huge difference in player quality to overcome a term difference like that.

Its not, Flames would need to add for sure.

Flyers however won't trade Konecny either

Jig · 03-12-2021, 10:27 AM

The proposed deals make no sense trade one small guy for another and ours is a better talent
Might have to get picks for Mr G, or get size in return

Wolfman · 03-12-2021, 10:30 AM

I think if anyone gets dealt it will be Monahan. He lacks the intensity that Sutter likes and I don't think that he ever will. So far after one game, he was the one I noticed wasn't too engaged in the game.

FlamesAddiction · 03-12-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I like the basis of the PHI deal. Konecny + 2nd for Gaudreau would be something I’d look at. Philly knows they’re getting a guy who will be there for the next 7-8 years, and we get a RHS RW who is younger and may fit the style of the team better going forward.

I would do that. I am probably in the minority, but I don't think Philly has to add anything on top of Konecny. He is younger, cheaper, and signed for several more years. Plus he shoots right which is a major bonus.

He might not have to exact same production ceiling as Gaudreau, but Gaudreau is entering his typical peak years and Konecny still has that ahead of him, so that might change fairly soon.

I know to beware of highlight reels, but looking at them, they don't seem to be all that different of players. He might be a little more of a north-south kind of player and likes to get in the goalie's face (not a bad thing, just not as flashy), but puck handling and shooting accuracy seem almost identical.

scotty2hotty · 03-12-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I think if anyone gets dealt it will be Monahan. He lacks the intensity that Sutter likes and I don't think that he ever will. So far after one game, he was the one I noticed wasn't too engaged in the game.

He matched his career high in hits, no?

Wolfman · 03-12-2021, 10:33 AM

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He matched his career high in hits, no?

That can't mean much to be honest. Never has been one to play physical.

This is coming from one of the biggest Monahan supporters.

Bonded · 03-12-2021, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I think if anyone gets dealt it will be Monahan. He lacks the intensity that Sutter likes and I don't think that he ever will. So far after one game, he was the one I noticed wasn't too engaged in the game.

Tkachuk still looked a bit checked out as well.

GioforPM · 03-12-2021, 10:40 AM

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imagine going from Hanafin to Borowiecki on the back end as a part of a "win now" move, good lord

The win now part is Arviddson/Forsberg. I assume the D is to make sure you at least have a D to fill a spot

jg13 · 03-12-2021, 10:40 AM

nvm

FlamesAddiction · 03-12-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I think if anyone gets dealt it will be Monahan. He lacks the intensity that Sutter likes and I don't think that he ever will. So far after one game, he was the one I noticed wasn't too engaged in the game.

Cory Stillman 2.0. You don't notice him too often but he always ends up with his name on the scoresheet. He is rarely bad and usually pretty good, but never amazing. He is a good player to have, but shouldn't be your best center either (I know Stillman was moved to the wing eventually).

I wouldn't trade him at any cost, but if there is a way to improve the position, they need to do it. Sucks because Monahan is a very likable personality.

agulati · 03-12-2021, 10:45 AM

I don’t think we should be looking at trading Hanifin at this time. He has taken big strides this year into becoming a top pairing defenseman. Still not there, but his value will only go up (both for us and if we eventually move him)

ComixZone · 03-12-2021, 10:47 AM

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I don’t think we should be looking at trading Hanifin at this time. He has taken big strides this year into becoming a top pairing defenseman. Still not there, but his value will only go up (both for us and if we eventually move him)

Yeah if this team wants to stay competitive (and maybe contend), we absolutely cannot trade Hanifin, Andersson, Tanev or Valimaki. Those are the pieces we need to keep on the back-end otherwise the defensive core just crumbles. Next season, we're going to be paying $6.75M to a bottom pairing defenceman in Giordano, we need those four guys playing ahead of him on the depth chart.

The strides Hanifin is making game to game this season are super encouraging. He's looked better and better as the year has gone on. If he could transition from taking wrist shots to snap shots, I think the points/goals will start stacking up.

Scroopy Noopers · 03-12-2021, 10:48 AM

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I don’t think we should be looking at trading Hanifin at this time. He has taken big strides this year into becoming a top pairing defenseman. Still not there, but his value will only go up (both for us and if we eventually move him)

I see him as the most likely offseason move because of the quality of forward he could yield in a trade. As good as he is, we have the depth there to fill that spot. especially as Valimaki develops.

Psytic · 03-12-2021, 10:49 AM

Really missing Fox and Brodie back there. We need to keep Hanafin out of necessity but the D needs more offence. Id only trade him for someone that is a little more creative. I dont think the team can afford to move him for a fwd with how Gio is aging.

SeanCharles · 03-12-2021, 10:52 AM

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I see him as the most likely offseason move because of the quality of forward he could yield in a trade. As good as he is, we have the depth there to fill that spot. especially as Valimaki develops.

It’s probably less to do with Valimaki and more to do with a guy like Mackey.

We already know Valimaki will take over a top 4 role here soon with Andersson, Tanev and Hanifin.

If Mackey progresses into top 4 material it softens the risk of trading Hanifin.

SuperMatt18 · 03-12-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

I think if anyone gets dealt it will be Monahan. He lacks the intensity that Sutter likes and I don't think that he ever will. So far after one game, he was the one I noticed wasn't too engaged in the game.

Couldn't Sean Monahan be to this team was Jeff Carter was to his L.A Kings teams. A center with finishing ability that isn't the best defensively.

Carter at time of trade to L.A. : Age- 27, GP-500, Goals - 196, PPG- 0.74, Hits - 239

Monahan career to date: Age-26, GP-566, Goals - 199, PPG- 0.76, Hits - 312

Very similar players IMO that are at similar points in their careers when they started to be coached by Sutter.

Not to say they shouldn’t trade him in the right deal, but to think he has to be traded because of who the coach is now just isn’t true.

powderjunkie · 03-12-2021, 11:10 AM

I'd start the car on the PHI proposal, but I don't think you're allowed to do picks conditional on re-signing anymore (although the picks are normally going the other way)

It's going to be really interesting to see how PHI handles the ED. Do they expose their leading scorer JVR?

Couturier
Hayes NMC
Konecny
Patrick
Giroux NMC

2 of:
Lindblom
JVR
Voracek
Aube-Kubel

Capfriendly shows Farabee and Frost as exempt