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Winsor_Pilates · 03-10-2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Seravalli on TSN says that the Flames took a look at Rakell before hiring Sutter but the price was too high.

I prefer Sutter anyway

Sandman · 03-10-2021, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Domi is another guy that's reportedly available. Already.
What happens to players in Columbus?

Domi is a guy you would think would be a great Sutter player, but he’s already playing for a hard-ass, and not getting it done. I would still be interested-I’ve been a fan ever since he knocked Kesler out.

Calgary4LIfe · 03-10-2021, 11:28 PM

I would think with Darryl coming back, this is going to alter the landscape of UFAs for Calgary. Some players will probably want to come here, some will be adding Calgary to their NTCs (if they didn't already).

I seem to remember that Sutter turned this team around and it became somewhat of a destination of sorts - at least for a while. I mean, Calgary was never going to compete with the New York of course, but it improved from what I remember. After hiring Brent, suddenly that went away (wasn't he voted as the coach most players disliked playing for, or something like that?).

I wonder who from LA (or the Ducks) that Darryl covets. Who is UFA next season that played under Sutter? Maybe someone gets a look this off-season.

Sandman · 03-11-2021, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would think with Darryl coming back, this is going to alter the landscape of UFAs for Calgary. Some players will probably want to come here, some will be adding Calgary to their NTCs (if they didn't already).

I seem to remember that Sutter turned this team around and it became somewhat of a destination of sorts - at least for a while. I mean, Calgary was never going to compete with the New York of course, but it improved from what I remember. After hiring Brent, suddenly that went away (wasn't he voted as the coach most players disliked playing for, or something like that?).

I wonder who from LA (or the Ducks) that Darryl covets. Who is UFA next season that played under Sutter? Maybe someone gets a look this off-season.

I completely agree, but at the same time, Tre has been good at bringing UFAs here-the results have sometimes been bad, but even guys like Brouwer, Neal, and Frolik were considered top free agents at the time. He brought in another 2 highly coveted UFAs here this offseason in Tanev and Markstrom.

As for UFAs I see Alec Martinez, Tanner Pearson, and Trevor Lewis as a few prominent former Kings who are UFA. Brandon Sutter is UFA too....

dissentowner · 03-11-2021, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Is Wilson even a possibility? Is he looking for a change of scenery too?

I would say he is one of the few untouchable guys in Washington. They are not moving him.

CaptainYooh · 03-11-2021, 08:49 AM

LOL. The full review of all trade deadline scenarios in The Athletic, real and imagined. Not a single word on Sam Bennett.

Wolfman · 03-11-2021, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

LoL, every trade rumor linked to a good player who potentially fills a gaping hole on this roster is "too expensive".

I bet they asked for Bennett and BT scoffed.

I feel like Bennett + 2nd for Rakell.

I don't think Tre should be moving any 1st, 2nd, or 3rd picks quite yet. Need to restock the cupboards.

powderjunkie · 03-11-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would think with Darryl coming back, this is going to alter the landscape of UFAs for Calgary. Some players will probably want to come here, some will be adding Calgary to their NTCs (if they didn't already).

I seem to remember that Sutter turned this team around and it became somewhat of a destination of sorts - at least for a while. I mean, Calgary was never going to compete with the New York of course, but it improved from what I remember. After hiring Brent, suddenly that went away (wasn't he voted as the coach most players disliked playing for, or something like that?).

I wonder who from LA (or the Ducks) that Darryl covets. Who is UFA next season that played under Sutter? Maybe someone gets a look this off-season.

From a quick glance, all I see is:
Alec Martinez
Brandon Sutter

But I think the Calgary can't get UFAs narrative needs to stop. I did a deep dive in the off-season (don't think I got around to posting it), and the conclusion was that only NYR and PHI have signed more team changing UFA deals 5M+x5yrs+, or even 4M+x4yrs+. I'm sure there's some devil in those details, but we are certainly in the top half of the league in that regard...which I wouldn't necessarily argue is a good thing.

Bonded · 03-11-2021, 10:01 AM

This is not the year to move a first. Could easily be a top 10 pick unless the Flames really pick up their play.

ComixZone · 03-11-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

This is not the year to move a first. Could easily be a top 10 pick unless the Flames really pick up their play.

It's not a year to move any picks for any sort of perimeter acquisition.

If we're talking a Jack Eichel? Sure. If we're talking an extended Taylor Hall - well, maybe...but probably not, no - just take your shot at him in free agency if you want him.

If we're talking about any 2nd/3rd line players? Hell no. This team has enough middle-six players who don't make a material difference on outcomes of games. This team has already leveraged the future and it has resulted in nothing but embarrassing playoff misses and 1st round exits.

Bonded · 03-11-2021, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

It's not a year to move any picks for any sort of perimeter acquisition.
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Yup, if it is to bring in an actual top line player then sure but don't want any kind of trade that is for a middle 6 guy. Mantha or Reinhart or someone like that I could get behind if the team is on a tear but that is about it.

transplant99 · 03-11-2021, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

LOL. The full review of all trade deadline scenarios in The Athletic, real and imagined. Not a single word on Sam Bennett.

Im guessing because he is so irrelevant league wide, that no one would even bother listing him. That blistering 4 point output isnt lighting up teams radars.

Plus media has short memories and forget he played well for 2 weeks in August. Its understandable though when his regular season of awful last year has been followed by another one thus far.

He will be dealt though, depending on playoff chances/injuries.

ComixZone · 03-11-2021, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, if it is to bring in an actual top line player then sure but don't want any kind of trade that is for a middle 6 guy. Mantha or Reinhart or someone like that I could get behind if the team is on a tear but that is about it.

I view Reinhart and Mantha both as middle six guys. I don't think either one of them is a playing driving difference maker.

alan21 · 03-11-2021, 10:14 AM

You'd have to wonder if Seattle even considers taking him at this point.

Bonded · 03-11-2021, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

I view Reinhart and Mantha both as middle six guys. I don't think either one of them is a playing driving difference maker.

That is fair. I was thinking they were top 6 to maybe top line RW but I haven't watched them much.

Sandman · 03-11-2021, 11:12 AM

Mantha is a force when he’s putting in an effort, but he’s struggling right now to get ice on the lowly Red Wings. You could gamble on Sutter getting the most out of him, but his cap hit is north of 5M. Too bad, he’s got everything we could use-offence, size, nastiness, and he’s a RW.

Calgary4LIfe · 03-11-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by alan21

You'd have to wonder if Seattle even considers taking him at this point.

I don't see why Seattle would take him - barring some unforeseen 'explosion' out of him under Darryl. It isn't to say that Bennett wouldn't be a decent add to most teams, but I don't see how they would pass on a defencemen from Calgary.

One of Giordano, Andersson, Tanev and Hanifin will be exposed (ignoring Kylington for the moment).

I won't get into which player should or shouldn't get exposed - that's an argument for another day as we see what the team looks like under Darryl, and how each defencemen looks like by then, and what (if any moves) Treliving makes between now and trade deadline day.

I just don't think Bennett has the value that any of the top 4 defencemen have. You can only protect 3 (well, you can also run 4-4, but I would say that's worse).

At this point in time, it would be a safe bet that the Flames are going to lose a defencemen, unless the roster changes.

GioforPM · 03-11-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't see why Seattle would take him - barring some unforeseen 'explosion' out of him under Darryl. It isn't to say that Bennett wouldn't be a decent add to most teams, but I don't see how they would pass on a defencemen from Calgary.

One of Giordano, Andersson, Tanev and Hanifin will be exposed (ignoring Kylington for the moment).

I won't get into which player should or shouldn't get exposed - that's an argument for another day as we see what the team looks like under Darryl, and how each defencemen looks like by then, and what (if any moves) Treliving makes between now and trade deadline day.

I just don't think Bennett has the value that any of the top 4 defencemen have. You can only protect 3 (well, you can also run 4-4, but I would say that's worse).

At this point in time, it would be a safe bet that the Flames are going to lose a defencemen, unless the roster changes.

I think Gio and Kylington are exposed and, depending on which way Seattle wants to go, both have more value in their own way than Bennett. Gio is a guy on an expensive but short contract who can provide the veteran gravitas and experience. Kylington is all untapped potential on a very cheap deal. Bennett is a guy who is not ELC, has a history of underperforming and who you can replace much cheaper.

Enoch Root · 03-11-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I think Gio and Kylington are exposed and, depending on which way Seattle wants to go, both have more value in their own way than Bennett. Gio is a guy on an expensive but short contract who can provide the veteran gravitas and experience. Kylington is all untapped potential on a very cheap deal. Bennett is a guy who is not ELC, has a history of underperforming and who you can replace much cheaper.

Gio would also have huge trade value for them at the deadline.

I would think that the return for him would be more than what Kylington is worth. Just can't see them not taking Gio, unless someone like Backlund is exposed

powderjunkie · 03-11-2021, 01:16 PM

If Bennett is still on the roster (only likely if this ship turns around), I could see a scenario where we trade him to SEA on the condition that they don't draft Gio (hence they presumably take Kylington).

I could also imagine a scenario where we trade the rights to Bennett/Rittich for them to select the other one in the draft. An Allen/Rittich tandem could make sense...not sure which other goalies they'd look at who are younger than Rittich and NHL ready?