So in other words it was in fact a coaching issue. Motivating the team is probably the most important part of the job today dealing with millionaire players. No need to sugar coat things as Ward was a nice guy but a horrible NHL head coach that couldn't last a full season before being fired. It is what it is.
Or ...
This is a deeply flawed core that will get a small up tick from a better NHL coach, but not even he can save them.
Coaching issue in that one of the top 20 coaches of all time is an upgrade, but not a coaching issue necessarily in that this group is a mess and will likely still be a mess under the upgrade.
Happy to be wrong!
but I don't agree with your "other words"
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So glad they're getting skated into the ground. Something has seriously been off with the conditioning of these guys. They might be the slowest skating team this season.
Hopefully papa Darryl can get the cardio reps, and in time their endurance up.
I still remember the days when Hartley emphasized high tempo practices so that the Flames would be the best conditioned team in the league. Hopefully Darryl does something to motivate these lazy bums.
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I still remember the days when Hartley emphasized high tempo practices so that the Flames would be the best conditioned team in the league. Hopefully Darryl does something to motivate these lazy bums.
I thought the same thing listening to the press conference. Short but high tempo is much better than a long, casual practice.
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I wish they made the change when most people knew it was needed, at least a month ago. I figure they will need to win 2/3s of the remaining games to get in the playoffs. Here's hoping!
I doubt they make the playoffs as the hole is too big to climbbut at least Darryl will get a head start on next season.
Plus hopefully the Flames get a decent top 10 draft pick and add to the prospect base.
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This is a deeply flawed core that will get a small up tick from a better NHL coach, but not even he can save them.
Coaching issue in that one of the top 20 coaches of all time is an upgrade, but not a coaching issue necessarily in that this group is a mess and will likely still be a mess under the upgrade.
Happy to be wrong!
but I don't agree with your "other words"
They're capable of playing to a 1st place conference finish. I do think the team is flawed in terms of the make up of the group and is missing a couple ingredients for playoff success, but they're capable of putting together a regular season that puts them above the playoff line. Several players have really underperformed.
Improved and proactive coaching should get them playing at a PO pace, but we may be too late in the game to catch the teams they're chasing, who are collecting points at a decent clip themselves.
Its an uphill battle that will require an immediate turnaround.
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So in other words it was in fact a coaching issue. Motivating the team is probably the most important part of the job today dealing with millionaire players. No need to sugar coat things as Ward was a nice guy but a horrible NHL head coach that couldn't last a full season before being fired. It is what it is.
But it is also not just as simple as that. Ward was most definitely not a good coach because he failed to get the team to play well. However, I think part of Bingo's point is to rightly note that the coach was pretty regularly being criticized here for things that were the players's doing. Too often when a player missed a pass, or skated mindlessly into traffic, or attempted to pass through layers of coverage into the slot Ward would be lambasted for it.
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This is a deeply flawed core that will get a small up tick from a better NHL coach, but not even he can save them.
Coaching issue in that one of the top 20 coaches of all time is an upgrade, but not a coaching issue necessarily in that this group is a mess and will likely still be a mess under the upgrade.
Happy to be wrong!
but I don't agree with your "other words"
This is a very different team when the team has a hard vs soft coach.
When this team has a hard coach they seem to be able to be in a ton of games and make third period comebacks. They are confident and working harder than the other team. You see it under Ward and we saw it with Gulutzan but with a softer hand we saw a weaker team. I see game 6 against the Canucks in 15 where they came back from 3-0 and I think of game 3 in 2017 or game 6 in 2020 where the team coughed up 3 goal leads to lose in embarrassing fashion.
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But it is also not just as simple as that. Ward was most definitely not a good coach because he failed to get the team to play well. However, I think part of Bingo's point is to rightly note that the coach was pretty regularly being criticized here for things that were the players's doing. Too often when a player missed a pass, or skated mindlessly into traffic, or attempted to pass through layers of coverage into the slot Ward would be lambasted for it.
Wouldn't a good coach also notice the repeated player mistakes and address them with the player, and if the player refuses to adjust then bench said player? It seemed like they had no accountability to Ward at all. I get it, he was the good cop to the Peters bad cop, but being a good cop did not work for him as head coach.
Darryl Sutter is not effective everywhere he goes because of a system.
Systems are what coaches who don’t know what they’re doing use to confuse the public into thinking they’re up to the job.
See Gulutzan, Glen.
Sutter is a puppetmaster who has a separate blueprint for each player. He basically runs 23 systems, instead of a by the book, one size fits all system.
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I still remember the days when Hartley emphasized high tempo practices so that the Flames would be the best conditioned team in the league. Hopefully Darryl does something to motivate these lazy bums.
I like high tempo for mental purposes, and to hit home quick decision making.
But frankly, even with a longer camp, Hartley's practices weren't going to change conditioning very much. Lots of players and coaches have noted that you can't get into shape in camp like the old days - you have to be in shape already. This year, wityh limited camp it would be even moreso.
That said, Hartley's method was beneficial in that by the next year guys would be motivated to come into camp in better shape so they could avoid puking at practice.
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I doubt they make the playoffs as the hole is too big to climbbut at least Darryl will get a head start on next season.
Plus hopefully the Flames get a decent top 10 draft pick and add to the prospect base.
Literally makes no sense when every game played is a 4 point game against division rivals. Habs lose to the Nucks tomorrow and lose the next 2 to the Flames Calgary is tied for the last playoff spot.
Literally makes no sense when every game played is a 4 point game against division rivals. Habs lose to the Nucks tomorrow and lose the next 2 to the Flames Calgary is tied for the last playoff spot.
Plus every team is capable of getting hot or cooling off. Winnipeg could go on a 6 game losing streak, these things happen.
Nothing is out of reach in this division, not yet at least
Darryl Sutter is not effective everywhere he goes because of a system.
Systems are what coaches who don’t know what they’re doing use to confuse the public into thinking they’re up to the job.
See Gulutzan, Glen.
I agree with this and part of it is a reluctance to put blame on individual players. People are invested in Johnny Gaudreau and can't believe he'd be dumb enough to skate himself into spots where he has to make a low percentage pass or shot. So it must be coaching, and, in particular a "system". And if it's noted that there's no system that coaches that result, it's then because the "system" is confusing the players into making mistakes.
