03-08-2021, 05:28 PM
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Flames Roster: What Could Have Been
With several days off from having to sit through another Flames game (thank goodness), thought it'd be a fun exercise to see what the Flames could have been.
So I’m a pretty big fan of the Flames' amateur scouting staff and I've liked they’ve done over years despite the lack of draft picks. So let's pretend this is an alternate timeline where the Flames decided to keep all of their picks and continued to rebuild slowly through the draft. So build your roster of what you think the Flames could have looked like
Also, I am aware that the Flames’ record would be drastically different (good or bad) had they not made the trades in the first place so maybe the Flames are bad enough to pick an Auston Matthews or a Cale Makar or a Quinn Hughes, but for the sake of this exercise, just keep it simple and stick to where the Flames did end up drafting. Start where ever you'd like; personally i'm starting off after the Flames run in 2015.
No Dougie Hamilton
2015 Draft Picks Kept: 15th OA, 45th OA, 52nd OA
Suggested Players Available:
At 15 = Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Boeser, Konecny...
At 45 = Hintz, Greenway...
At 52 = Dunn, Stenlund...
No Brian Elliot
2016 Draft Pick Kept: 35th OA
Suggested Players Available:
At 35 = Kyrou, Debrincat, Sam Girard, Carter Hart...
No Curtis Lazar
2017 Draft Pick Kept: 47th OA
Suggested Players Available:
At 47 = Maxime Comtois, Mario Ferraro, Jack Studnicka, Jonah Gadjovich...
No Travis Hamonic
2018/2019 NHL Draft Picks: 12th OA (2018), 43rd OA (2018), 57th OA (2019)
Suggested Players Available:
At 12 = Noah Dobson, Joel Farabee, Ty Smith...
At 43 = Too Early...
At 57 = Too Early...
My Flames Roster Today
Gaudreau - Barzal - Debrincat
Tkachuk - Monahan - Greenway
Farabee - Backlund - Mangiapane
Bennett - Jankowski - Comtois
Dube
Giordano - Fox*
Dunn - Andersson
Valimaki - Kylington
Kulak
Markstrom**
Rittich
*Adam Fox signs in Calgary without Hamilton and Hamonic in his way
** Flames sign Jacob Markstrom in 2020 as they're finally ready to contend
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03-08-2021, 05:33 PM
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Why would you do this to yourself tho
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03-08-2021, 05:36 PM
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Add in Kucherov who they were eyeing and Kadri.
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03-08-2021, 05:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blaster86
Why would you do this to yourself tho
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Because I believe this is what a scout would do for fun; to see what your roster could’ve been.
Beats talking about another failed coach or how much we suck because we can’t beat the lowly Sens.
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03-08-2021, 05:43 PM
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Swap Greenway with Roope Hintz and I'd be an extremely happy camper.
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03-08-2021, 05:46 PM
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I'm weeping here.
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03-08-2021, 05:51 PM
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Even ignoring the hindsight issues, the draft is self-correcting - if you make better decisions in year 1, you won't be drafting at the same spot in year 2.
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03-08-2021, 05:52 PM
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If you're going that deep into hypotheticals, why not have Pastrnak on your roster instead of Bennett...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Even ignoring the hindsight issues, the draft is self-correcting - if you make better decisions in year 1, you won't be drafting at the same spot in year 2.
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Unless you keep your draft picks from year 1 in the minors...
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03-08-2021, 05:52 PM
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Navel gazing at its worst.
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03-08-2021, 05:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
I'm weeping here.
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You don’t think the Oilers are weeping? They could’ve had Kyle Connor, Aho, Tkachuk just to name a few.
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03-08-2021, 05:54 PM
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03-08-2021, 05:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Even ignoring the hindsight issues, the draft is self-correcting - if you make better decisions in year 1, you won't be drafting at the same spot in year 2.
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It is also worth pointing out that every single team has a list like this. No team will ever draft every player they were supposed to in hindsight. So, what is the point in pining about what could have been if it never would have been?
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03-08-2021, 05:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathgod
If you're going that deep into hypotheticals, why not have Pastrnak on your roster instead of Bennett...
Unless you keep your draft picks from year 1 in the minors...
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I didn’t go that far back. Plus, I didn’t remove any Flames‘ original picks (i.e. Bennett, Tkachuk, Valimaki. I only added players that the Flames could’ve picked had Treliving/Button had those picks I listed.
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03-08-2021, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Textcritic
It is also worth pointing out that every single team has a list like this. No team will ever draft every player they were supposed to in hindsight. So, what is the point in pining about what could have been if it never would have been?
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It’s not really hindsight, I’m saying the Flames wouldn’t have picked Bennett or Tkachuk. It’s more like, had the Flames not rushed the rebuild and traded for Hamonic, who would the Flames have drafted when their turn came up.
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03-08-2021, 06:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper
It’s not really hindsight, I’m saying the Flames wouldn’t have picked Bennett or Tkachuk. It’s more like, had the Flames not rushed the rebuild and traded for Hamonic, who would the Flames have drafted when their turn came up.
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Except they would not have drafted all of these players.
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03-08-2021, 06:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Even ignoring the hindsight issues, the draft is self-correcting - if you make better decisions in year 1, you won't be drafting at the same spot in year 2.
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I don’t think I’m being necessary unfair here. I’m not even saying the Flames would have been worse if they didn’t have Hamilton and Frolik (very likely) in the lineup in 15-16, so they could’ve drafted a Matthews or a Laine. I had them right where they were and still drafting Tkachuk.
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03-08-2021, 06:09 PM
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This is just silly. You could probably make Tampa Bay better or St. Louis the year before, if you only considered "what could have been" with hindsight.
Now try it picking the worst players picked in and around those same spots.
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03-08-2021, 06:11 PM
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Remove Valimaki. If we didn't have Brian Elliott in 16-17, we would have drafted later in 2017.
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03-08-2021, 06:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Remove Valimaki. If we didn't have Brian Elliott in 16-17, we would have drafted later in 2017.
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Without Brian Elliott the Flames probably would not have made the playoffs in 2017. They likely would have drafted earlier than #16.
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03-08-2021, 06:25 PM
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Brian Elliott one gives me dry heaves.
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