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SuperMatt18 · 03-07-2021, 08:41 PM

It’s okay. He’s old and a part timer now. Type of guys that AEW should be staying away from to be honest.

d_phaneuf · 03-07-2021, 09:05 PM

Knowing how mox has no limit in terms of what hes willing to do, and that every one is basically assuming hes taking a break after this for paternity leave, this could be INCREDIBLE

d_phaneuf · 03-07-2021, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

It’s okay. He’s old and a part timer now. Type of guys that AEW should be staying away from to be honest.

Yep, both of the big surprises were kind of disappointing for how much they hyped them up

The way khan and show were teasing them it basically had to be okada, lesner, or cena lol

SuperMatt18 · 03-07-2021, 09:43 PM

The final match was good but that last explosion of the ring was embarrassing

d_phaneuf · 03-07-2021, 09:44 PM

Things Eddie Kingston is committed too:

Friendship with mox

The bit that the final 'explosion' wasnt sparklers at the ring posts

Swift · 03-07-2021, 09:58 PM

Lol, pure wrestlecrap

https://twitter.com/user/status/1368785442053754881

LIP MAN · 03-07-2021, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift

Lol, pure wrestlecrap

Too bad, because it would have been a cool ending. Some Roman candles would have helped lol

d_phaneuf · 03-07-2021, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift

Lol, pure wrestlecrap

https://twitter.com/user/status/1368785442053754881

Eddie is still selling it!

darockwilder · 03-07-2021, 10:47 PM

Yeah, Eddie is going to be pissed when he watches it back. He's selling like a nuke went off, but everyone else saw the equivalent of a birthday sparkler combined with the poof of smoke a magician uses to disappear.

I kept waiting for the real explosion to go off.

SuperMatt18 · 03-07-2021, 11:20 PM

You need to turn the lights out in that spot too.

Leaving all the lights fully on is never going to looks good.

CaptainCrunch · 03-08-2021, 12:05 AM

I started humming the theme song to my little pony when I saw that ending. A pretty average PPV. After all the hype and the super reveal is Christian.

What's with that, I mean think about it, Christian and Sting faced off in TNA in 2007.

It just still feels WCW to me.

SuperMatt18 · 03-08-2021, 09:52 AM

Honestly that type of event was a huge step back for AEW IMO.

Ethan Page and Christian Cage as your big reveal.

Gimmick matches galore all PPV.

And of course the horrible ending to the main event with that embarrassing explosion.

The problem is it’s not even feeling like WCW anymore, it feels more like the bad TNA/Impact era when they brought in Bischoff, Hogan, Steiner, etc.

Instead of continuing down the path of being something new and unique they are going down the same “rehash” path that hurt the other companies.

Ozy_Flame · 03-08-2021, 10:05 AM

I can agree with that. This PPV didn't leave me with a lot of confidence. I think it's great that Christian is there (I'm a huge fan and he was severely underrated during his career) but too many WWE guys are starting to show up. Hopefully they can just be personalities when needed to advance storylines and stay out of the way.

Personally I love when they "sign" some of their Dark talent, like Will Hobbs, Aaron Solow, and Sean Dean. I think these are the guys busting their asses for a break and they are organically grown as AEW-exclusive stars. I am hoping Dark: Elevation is going to really get those guys more screen time.

I like Tony Khan's passion for wrestling, but I think he needs to separate his fandom from his business to some extent. There's fun memes to interplay, and then there's the WCW/NWO problem of "too many guys". I will say their storylines aren't a problem though, they have their writing in the bag unlike WCW.

CaptainCrunch · 03-08-2021, 11:04 AM

I really agree with what you're saying in a lot of ways.

I still think their booking is hit and miss. I think in terms of this pay per view, it was too gimmicky. And their on going excuse for the terrible ending to that over booked exploding barb wire match is that Kenny is bad at building rings or something like that. Its just stupid, your PPV match in a gimmick match can't look that underwhelming or bad. Go back and look at Mick Foley vs Terry Funks exploding ring match, that's how its done.

I like Moxley, but his promo's are becoming stale and same old, it sounds like he's going away for a while, that might be a good thing, I think he needs a refresh.

Too many old dudes, like seriously, stop signing WWE mid card or below talent, or 60 year old Stings and hyping it as a huge thing. Stop bringing in part timers. To put this in perspective, Christian is 47 years old. When Hogan joined the NWO I think he was 42. I thought AEW was a great idea to get young developed talent over.

The woman's division is really not being executed well, and they have some very good talent. But its just flat. I laughed AEW posted a picture of two of their woman in the ring giving the finger with the post another thing that WWE can't do. and the overwhelming response was at least they have good woman's matches.

The issue is the question of why AEW's audience as a rebel wrestling group really isn't growing that much. Their viewer ship is really consistant in that 800k range last time I checked, they're not gaining new audience, or if they are they're loosing audience. Also is really competing with NXT where they want to be, Especially since they're trying to use Main Roster talent.

WWE Smackdown and Raw ratings are in the toilet because they're bad, NXT is stagnent because its somewhat audience specific and appeals to people that like to watch independent style matches. I'm still nowhere near figuring out what AEW is.

As well, I agree on Khan, he's doing the Eric Bish thing where he's just spending money for no good reasons. I'd still like to see a better bench strength in terms of writing and production.

CaptainCrunch · 03-08-2021, 11:10 AM

BTW Mr Tito is really one of my favorite wrestling columnists and my back and forth conversations with him are fun

https://twitter.com/user/status/1368953961571622920

Ozy_Flame · 03-08-2021, 12:14 PM

Moxley going on a leave for parenting duties (and probably some much needed R&R) means that the timing of a Christian to come in and compete on a part-time basis makes some sense. AEW's main card is still a bit thin (Mox and Omega, then part-timers Jericho/Christian/Big Show) but it's also a chance to cement some top stars in that upper echelon. To me that is probably Cody/MJF/Hangman/Archer, all of whom can go at that level. And all are in active storylines to step up.

Side note: I also think they should wind down with 1-2 stables. Dark Order, Team Taz and FTR Horsemen are money, but it's probably time to wind down Inner Circle, Nightmare Family, Death Triangle, and whatever Kingston/Butcher/Blade is. Let these guys speak for themselves as individual talent. Cody did at least say that Nightmare Family isn't really an "active" stable so much as it is simply an association that can be called upon when needed.

So much talent on that roster but it does need some structure - not everyone can fill the mid-card and they're going to have to pick their diamonds sooner rather than later.

Muta · 03-08-2021, 12:22 PM

I'll just say it - I'm getting tired of Moxley. He does the same schtick every week, and really, he's just become a watered down version of Stone Cold right now. I'd like to see some evolution of his character more, as he's becoming stale IMO.

CaptainCrunch · 03-08-2021, 12:28 PM

I appreciate what Omega's done this year, after they completely botched him before. I think Mox needs to go away and do some re-invention, to me he became pretty repetitive over the last year. I guess I expected more from a creative guy like him, even his move set has been paint by numbers for the last couple of years. Go away from the business for like 6 months, recharge his batteries and maybe come back with something new.

I really want Jericho to not wrestle anymore period end of story, Its actually sad to watch him stumble around the ring, and it really effects how I see his personality. It doesn't help that he's become a complete wack job. They need to encourage him to go away for a chunk of time and work on a Fozzie Album. Big Show and Christian don't excite me at all. Even seeing Christian in the ring wouldn't make me tune in, he was a solid mid card guy with some main event bumps that didn't pan out all that well.

Yeah, Cody, definately MJF who I'm a fan of. Archer are all guys that should be the main event even though Cody really does bore the crap out of me.

I used to be a stables guy huge, but you can't have a billion stables running around, it waters down the concept. To be honest a major wrestling organization with 2 or 3 hours of actual TV should really have one or at most two that really menace the rest of the roster.

Honestly I do strongly believe its getting to a time to either seriously trim the roster, or create a developmental or separate territory, even if its a streaming thing. But its too bloated, and Khan seems to just like spending money on wrestling card collections. I was actually dreading last night because I almost expected Hulk Hogan or Kurt Angle to step through the curtains. Or even better Vince Russo or Eric B.

If I could summerize that event though it was major over promise and under deliver.

Oh and push Tay Conti man.

CaptainCrunch · 03-08-2021, 12:29 PM

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I'll just say it - I'm getting tired of Moxley. He does the same schtick every week, and really, he's just become a watered down version of Stone Cold right now. I'd like to see some evolution of his character more, as he's becoming stale IMO.

For all of Cornette's shyte, he has pegged Moxley right in the last year or so as a Stone Cold Cosplayer.

I really like him, but I go away thinking that there's so much more he could do.

Blaster86 · 03-08-2021, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Muta

I'll just say it - I'm getting tired of Moxley. He does the same schtick every week, and really, he's just become a watered down version of Stone Cold right now. I'd like to see some evolution of his character more, as he's becoming stale IMO.

####, maybe WWE did peg him then.

The Christian thing is... yeah. If Moxley is going down for a few months to be a dad this is the time to push someone else on the roster up. I don't want to see a guy who, up until a month ago, was thought to be retired for good due to concussion issues. I love Christian. One of my favourite performers through the Brood, Edge and Christan, Captain Charisma, his run in TNA. I'd love Christian in WWE as a throw back now and then.

To run a program at the top of the card? Didn't... we just do this with former Christian Tag Team Partner Chris Jericho last year? Is this going to be any different?