[PGT] Bad final 40 sinks Flames

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Scary Eloranta

Overall talent? Sure. But my point was that we don’t have that one superstar like Iggy who could put the team on his back, or a guy like Gelinas who could score in the clutch. When the coilers scored that third goal tonight we all knew the game was over. We simply don’t have anyone who can step up.

I hope you’re right and Darryl can turn it around but I’m not convinced he can get these guys to grow a pair of giant balls and play more consistently and start scoring some gd goals when they need to.


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The LA Kings prior to Sutter’s arrival were in total disarray.

When the Blackhawks replaced Yawney with Quennville, they were nothing.

I don’t know what Sutter can wring out of this group.

What I do know is that he’s done more with less.

In 2004, Iggy was 26. Until that point, he had 2 playoff points, which he scored in 1998.

Johnny is 27 and has 19 points in 30 games. Monahan has 21 (and has been virtually as productive as Iggy, for their careers, by the numbers).

Until Darryl gets behind the bench, the best coach they’ve ever had is still Bob Hartley.

They deserve a shot with someone who knows how to do the job at a championship level in the modern NHL. They’ve never had that.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What does that have to do with perennial contenders? McDavid is barely on the ice for more goals for than against...he isn't Lebron James

Barely beating the Flames is nothing to write home about these days

Man, this convo started around defending why the broadcast team was talking so much about the oilers and McDavid over the flames.

I stated it's because he was a superstar tonight.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Man, this convo started around defending why the broadcast team was talking so much about the oilers and McDavid over the flames.

I stated it's because he was a superstar tonight.

Which does not account for why they were talking about him incessantly in the first period, when he was doing nothing and the Flames were all over the Oilers.

None of the commentary was because of anything McDavid did tonight. It was because he is a designated superstar, and has to be treated like one whether he plays like it or not.

[dino7c]

McDavid did nothing until the 3rd...sure he got an assist but he passed the puck back to the point and got a 3rd assist. They went on and on about him and I'm sure they will during the Flames/Sens game tomorrow night.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by zamler

You think McDavid is top 5 out of all players from the last 100 years?

Connor McDavid is the only player I’ve ever seen who scares me when he gets the puck below his own face off circle.

He’s unlike any player I’ve ever watched. It doesn’t mean he’s the best player, but if there are five guys in the last hundred years who are better, there aren’t many more than five (let’s stick to just forwards).

Gretzky, Mario, Howe, Messier, Jagr, Sid, Ovechkin.

He’s better than your Sakic/Yzerman/Forsberg/Modano level superstar.

He’s better than Iggy.

He’s better than all of the current superstars - Matthews, Barkov, Seguin, Kopitar, Tavares, MacKinnon.

He’s dust any of the stars from the black and white days - Richard, Beliveau, Esposito, Dionne, Sittler etc.

Yeah. I think it’s undeniable that he’s a top-10 player of the last 100 years.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Which does not account for why they were talking about him incessantly in the first period, when he was doing nothing and the Flames were all over the Oilers.

None of the commentary was because of anything McDavid did tonight. It was because he is a designated superstar, and has to be treated like one whether he plays like it or not.

Fair enough. I see it in other leagues too though. Superstars are given their airtime regardless.

Whining about the broadcast team seems like misguided frustration. If the flames were up more than 1-0, maybe the broadcasters give the lowly flames a bit more love. They didn't, and in the end, it was a tremendous bet on their part. What they talked about in the first intermission, ended up being the key differentiating factor in the end.

So.. What is there to even really debate???? The broadcast team boasted about the team and the players that eventually won.

[Goriders]

I still think Sutter will make a difference. But the lineup has holes that need to be addressed and there are a few players that aren’t competitive enough that will probably have to be swapped out.

From what I’ve been watching

- Gio is too slow and Anderson is starting to cheat on plays to compensate.
- Monahan is like a ghost, matching him with Leivo essentially takes gaudreau out of the game.
- Leivo should be nowhere near the top line.
- valimaki and whoever his partner is are starting to get exposed lately.

Figuring out how to get more out of this lineup will include both line changes and personnel changes in my mind. The flames have a lot of good players but the lineup doesn’t seem to fit together well.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

McDavid did nothing until the 3rd...sure he got an assist but he passed the puck back to the point and got a 3rd assist. They went on and on about him and I'm sure they will during the Flames/Sens game tomorrow night.

Even from an Oiler perspective, that was ####ed.

Puljujarvi has been a storyline and they immediately make the goal entirely about McDavid's nothing secondary assist.

The agenda is so forced that it's highly distracting from the actual game when the commentary isn't muted. It feels like two different things are going on between audio and visual feeds.

Every single broadcast I've listened to on TSN does none of that. They call it as they see it, they give recognition to players as they warrant it through their play (within the game), and they don't sugar coat or give extra attention to specific players beyond what seems reasonable. And even though they've been regional broadcasts for the teams playing the Flames, as a Flames fan I've never felt like it was ever insufferable or grating to listen to.

These are regional broadcasts that are way more professional and evenly/objectively called than these atrocities of what is supposed to be a national broadcast from Sportsnet.

It's garbage. I wish we had our own separate broadcast through TSN like the Jets and Habs do. I'm super jealous tbh.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Fair enough. I see it in other leagues too though. Superstars are given their airtime regardless.

Whining about the broadcast team seems like misguided frustration. If the flames were up more than 1-0, maybe the broadcasters give the lowly flames a bit more love. They didn't, and in the end, it was a tremendous bet on their part. What they talked about in the first intermission, ended up being the key differentiating factor in the end.

So.. What is there to even really debate???? The broadcast team boasted about the team and the players that eventually won.

So they do it every night and are right half of the time lol

good way to run a broadcast. Same media that predicted the Oilers would have multiple cups by now. They did the same thing with the Flames won 6-4 and when the Flames were 3-1 against them last season. And a couple years back when the Flames had more points than the Oilers have had in 30 years they doing it then too.

[CGY12]

It annoys me too but who cares, mute the TV and change the channel at INT. It only hurts because its the Oilers who have Mcdavid. Same thing happens when Mathews and Toronto play on sportsnet. You know before the game to expect it, no point in whining about it. Nobody on the Flames roster is in the same stratosphere as McDavid, so they can't offset the discussion.

[3rd liner]

I am hoping for a 2003 ‘bring your lunch pail and go to work’ mentality that endeared the 2003 flames to us so much. If that means cutting loose some dead weight/bad attitudes so be it. Let’s head this thing in the right direction. Even if it isn’t this asterisk filled season. If guys don’t want to be here don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

100 times out of 100 I’d rather be a hardworking team low on talent than a team of floaters (I.e. James Neal types) with talent.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

So they do it every night and are right half of the time lol

good way to run a broadcast. Same media that predicted the Oilers would have multiple cups by now

It's a national broadcast. They are catering to the broad spectrum of hockey fans across the country.

Living in Toronto, I can tell you, nobody could name more than 5 players on the flames even when we won the frigin conference 2 years ago.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by CGY12

It annoys me too but who cares, mute the TV and change the channel at INT. It only hurts because its the Oilers who have Mcdavid. Same thing happens when Mathews and Toronto play on sportsnet. You know before the game to expect it, no point in whining about it. Nobody on the Flames roster is in the same stratosphere as McDavid, so they can't offset the discussion.

Out of thanks, but you share the exact point I am trying to make here.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Except hockey isn't basketball...how often does the leading scorer win the championship?

More often than not, McDavid is the reason why the Oilers won a hockey game. And that applies to tonights game.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by CGY12

It annoys me too but who cares, mute the TV and change the channel at INT. It only hurts because its the Oilers who have Mcdavid. Same thing happens when Mathews and Toronto play on sportsnet. You know before the game to expect it, no point in whining about it. Nobody on the Flames roster is in the same stratosphere as McDavid, so they can't offset the discussion.

TSN manages to talk about more than 2 players and no single player as excessively.

It's 100% a Sportsnet thing. But yes, future BOAs are going on mute because it's really the only way to enjoy it.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

And even though they've been regional broadcasts for the teams playing the Flames, as a Flames fan I've never felt like it was ever insufferable or grating to listen to.

Winnipeg's crew eventually got to me to the point I had to find a Flames feed. Still, it was nothing compared to the Oilers' crew.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Yup. So when the oilers only really have 2 good players and beat the flames like they have this season, it does tell us something about our 23 man squad.

It says a lot about how star players in this league can carry a team on their back to victory. Remove Dri and McD and you have a below average hockey team.

When McDavid is held off the score sheet, like he was against the Leafs, they lost. They have to rely on 2 players to win a game.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

TSN manages to talk about more than 2 players and no single player as excessively.

It's 100% a Sportsnet thing. But yes, future BOAs are going on mute because it's really the only way to enjoy it.

Maybe when the Flames find a way to hold McDavid under 2.5 PPG, the announcers can talk about that.

Myself, I’m just happy we get to hear Chris Cuthbert calling Flames hockey again.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Dion

It says a lot about how star players in this league can carry a team on their back to victory. Remove Dri and McD and you have a below average hockey team.

When McDavid is held off the score sheet, like he was against the Leafs, they lost. They have to rely on 2 players to win a game.

Absolutely. That's why I hate our GM. Teams with high end talent should focus on getting depth in their lineup. Avg teams like the roster the flames have, need to focus on improving their top/core players.

That is my biggest beef with treliving. He keeps pushing the narrative of creating depth, yet, when you look at our top end forwards : monahan, gaudreau, Lindholm, tkachuk, backlund, and compare it to the rest of the league, it is pretty low. If you weight it based on role it's even worse, in my opinion, like bottom 5-7 in the league.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

More often than not, McDavid is the reason why the Oilers won a hockey game. And that applies to tonights game.

Wat? no they don't

The NHL scoring leader almost never wins the championship...my point is that hockey is more of a team game than a sport like basketball so Lebron James is irrelevant.


pretty sure you miss read my post