[PGT] Bad final 40 sinks Flames

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Negativity in this thread is nuts.

I don’t care whether the flames can win a coin flip game with a one line team (whose one line is crazy dominant). I care if they can win against a four line team in the 3rd or 4th round.

The answer might be not prove yes in time but the starting point is whether they are willing. Tonight was a solid yes. For the first time since chucky got hurt against Dallas.

For one night, the flames proved their biggest issue wrong. Conversely, the coilers proved every criticism right. I’m fine.

Not sure I agree but you you have a good point.

I would feel more comfortable if the flames could show more offensively.

[zamler]

The entire HNIC crew was straight up trash this game. Cassie especially is completely oblivious to the fact she is calling a game for Oilers AND Flames fans.

[Scary Eloranta]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Lindholm agrees that they let things go in the final 40

https://twitter.com/user/status/1368449512780394497

Again, excellent first period but consistency is still a big issue.

Sutter can't come soon enough.

Someone should have asked Lindholm where the hell he learned how to block shots.

I also don’t see how Sutter turns this team into an offensive machine overnight.


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[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by zamler

The entire HNIC crew was straight up trash this game. Cassie especially is completely oblivious to the fact she is calling a game for Oilers AND Flames fans.

I get annoyed by it but I also think perhaps the regional broadcast has made us more sensitive to the national broadcast.

The flames will absolutely get their talking points if they deserve it. They haven’t much this season, hence, the national broadcasts will inevitably seem one-sided.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

The flames will absolutely get their talking points if they deserve it.

Highly doubt it. HNIC routinely blabbers on about 97 in games where the Oilers are not even playing.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I get annoyed by it but I also think perhaps the regional broadcast has made us more sensitive to the national broadcast.

The flames will absolutely get their talking points if they deserve it. They haven’t much this season, hence, the national broadcasts will inevitably seem one-sided.

They deserved it in the first half of the game and got no talking points or discussion time.

Regardless of whats happening we know exactly what the discussion will center around.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Meh, not sure what everybody was expecting

They looked better with no head coach than with Ward

It was kind of what I expected. Early Calgary push. Edmonton picking up as the game went on. No HC to manage the push

Bad decision by Lindholm, unfortunate result on the stick by Backs , and a wicked shot by McDavid

I would like to know why Tkachuk leads with his spine when he bodychecks though

And seriously, whoever is on Cassie should shut the #### up. It’s tired and irrelevant. Based on what I’ve observed, she’s better than you

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by Scary Eloranta

Someone should have asked Lindholm where the hell he learned how to block shots.

I also don’t see how Sutter turns this team into an offensive machine overnight.


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It's not going to be an overnight switch. Sutter coming in isn't about just an instant fix. It's a long term play.

What Sutter is going to do is get this team playing the right way on a nightly basis, 60 minutes a night. Sutter's systems also lead to possession/shots/scoring chance dominance while limiting possession/shots/chances against.

Sutter is a truuuuly elite coach and knows how to mold players minds to the way they need to be to have success.

[Manhattanboy]

Someone made an interesting comment about the league becoming a league of stars so those players are discussed ad nausem by the media. I guess that’s true for other sports as well.

Maybe the sensitivity has to do with the fact that we don’t have highlight reel stars. Some of our guys like JG and Tkachuk get their fair attention at times when due but nothing like the leaders on the other teams.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Cassie Campbell has her job for the same reason that many public companies are being forced to turn over their boards of directors. Crap on me for saying it but it’s the truth.

Look. Another old white man with a problem letting someone else in the room.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by zamler

Highly doubt it. HNIC routinely blabbers on about 97 in games where the Oilers are not even playing.

But he deserved it again tonight. In a league that is criticized for not pushing more about their superstars, they have to do it.

I watch that game winning goal tonight, and the cynic in me is looking for the missed assignment, the lazy backcheck, but it’s just greatness. Few players now or in any era pull that off.

There was a narrative going into tonight about this being the first time 97 has gone pointless. Tonight he answers the bell and deserves the spotlight. Kid is unreal. I wish he wasn’t an Oiler so I could watch and appreciate him more.

[Young Guns]

If looking for some positives, the 4th line actually looks good with Ryan and Ritchie. Creating some turnovers and actually getting scoring chances.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Look. Another old white man with a problem letting someone else in the room.

Someone who is qualified. But I’m done talking about it.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by soulchoice

The only problem I see with this lineup, is that second line is going to be very slow with those two. Not only that, but neither one of those two seem to be able to consistently be the puck carrier to gain the zone.

100% agree, but I think you need to split them up. We are so weak on RW that there is no real good solution.

Move Lindholm to RW with Monahan and Tkachuk, sure, but then you have JG with Backlund and maybe Mangiapane. Could work.

But that leaves Bennett as 3rd line C. Yea not too sure.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Look. Another old white man with a problem letting someone else in the room.

Post the racial pecking order, so we all know where we stand.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Negativity in this thread is nuts.

I don’t care whether the flames can win a coin flip game with a one line team (whose one line is crazy dominant). I care if they can win against a four line team in the 3rd or 4th round.

The answer might be not prove yes in time but the starting point is whether they are willing. Tonight was a solid yes. For the first time since chucky got hurt against Dallas.

For one night, the flames proved their biggest issue wrong. Conversely, the coilers proved every criticism right. I’m fine.

Wow, great perspective.

The knock on the Flames was answered to an extent. They showed long glimpses of what they're capable of. It is evident that the ability is in there to dictate and be defensively stifling, even though they let off their game gradually and fell into that mental trap. The Oilers just did exactly what they've done for years and nothing new - live and die by their ability to stack all their talent on one line and play it excessively, which has never panned out for them when the games have really mattered because you have to have more to your team than that to compete. They'll beat their chests, but in the end these are hollow victories given how deep their problems remain to be.

And no, Mike Smith didn't suddenly figure it out at 39 years old.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Someone who is qualified. But I’m done talking about it.

Cammi Granato is a scout for Seattle

Hockey is hockey and just because women are exceedingly unlikely to play in the NHL due to physical considerations, it is pretty disgusting to think that one of the legendary / distinguished women is unqualified to give insight in to the game

I like your last sentence . Much more than your first

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Someone who is qualified. But I’m done talking about it.

Are there other men who are equally, hell more qualified, sure.

As a father to a daughter, I need a Cassie Campbell doing her thing, good or bad.

I’m not a fan of Campbell, but the flames aren’t a good team. Broadcasters have to focus on the team that wins and, more importantly, the stars...

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Are there other men who is equally, hell more qualified, sure.

As a father to a daughter, I need a Cassie Campbell doing her thing, good or bad.

I’m not a fan of Campbell, but the flames aren’t a good team. Broadcasters have to focus on the team that wins and, more importantly, the stars...

Ok one more comment. I agree with you on that, for sure. But there are lots of qualified women who could do what she does. She’s had that role for many years and game after game people complain. Not just me.

Anyway I should not have said anything in the first place.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Are there other men who are equally, hell more qualified, sure.

As a father to a daughter, I need a Cassie Campbell doing her thing, good or bad.

I’m not a fan of Campbell, but the flames aren’t a good team. Broadcasters have to focus on the team that wins and, more importantly, the stars...

The Flames have stars and I hear nothing about them.

I'd like to hear more about Lindholm who is awesome. But listening to the broadcast you wouldn't know that they're aware of this at all.

It's poor programming that takes the easy and lazy route of just remarking on the league's most prominent player and Cassie's gender doesn't negate the lack of ability they've shown to dive more deeply into the game than that or focus on less obvious things that are going on than what Connor McDavid is or isn't doing. You learn next to nothing about the subtleties of the game watching these broadcasts.

They're not being professionals or experts in any capacity with what they're bringing to the commentary currently.

Sorry but I'm calling a spade a spade here. It's been amateur hour.