Neighbors dog droppings

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by pylon

There is nothing illegal about a dog pooping on your own property. And in situations like this and flagpoles.... what may be an infuriating act of misjustice, might be very well a total non-issue to others. When does the illegal part kick in? 8 turds? 30 turds? 120 turds? It is completely subjective.

As a dog owner, I tend to pick up after our dogs every few days. But when it's colder than the surface of Mars out... I'm sorry, the frozen turds can wait a week if required.

And the point of my post from the beginning, was think hard about how you handle the confrontation. I still believe the flag sucks, but it didn't suck so bad, I had to spend the better part of a year side eyeing my neighbor, and contemplating security cameras in case our property was vandalized. And that was on me, for handling it poorly.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...9&postcount=11


Pooping, no. Leaving it as a septic field? Yes.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by Sliver

If your dog ####s, pick it up right away. It's the deal with owning a dog. Plus, it doesn't even make sense. What, are you going to keep track of the date of each pile of ####? Like put little flags on the crap piles with best before stickers? Come on...if there's ####, pick it up. It's so uncomplicated.

I smell a kickstarter

[Flamenspiel]

Sliver made a good point, it’s not a matter between you and the neighbour, they are out of legal compliance, report it and let the city handle it. Anyone can complain, and usually does.

The handling of Dog complaints, noise complaints, parking a car on the front lawn, and other issues are one of the reasons city life is easier. If you live on an acreage, that’s another story and it gets handled the old fashioned way.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by pylon

And the point of my post from the beginning, was think hard about how you handle the confrontation. I still believe the flag sucks, but it didn't suck so bad, I had to spend the better part of a year side eyeing my neighbor, and contemplating security cameras in case our property was vandalized. And that was on me, for handling it poorly.

Pylon, I feel like you're making my point for me. So you had a year of friction because you did the face-to-face thing with the guy. Had you called bylaw, there would have been no animosity between you and the neighbour. You initiated a confrontation when we have a public body to handle (which you pay for via your taxes) these things that allows us to preserve neighbourly relations.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Pylon, I feel like you're making my point for me. So you had a year of friction because you did the face-to-face thing with the guy. Had you called bylaw, there would have been no animosity between you and the neighbour. You initiated a confrontation when we have a public body to handle (which you pay for via your taxes) these things that allows us to preserve neighbourly relations.

I mean when the bylaw cops show up at the neighbors house, he's not going to think "Must have been a random search", he's gonna know one of his neighbors made the call. The only thing going through bylaw does is provide plausible deniability, which is usually irrelevant when a pissed off neighbor is looking for someone to blame.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I mean when the bylaw cops show up at the neighbors house, he's not going to think "Must have been a random search", he's gonna know one of his neighbors made the call. The only thing going through bylaw does is provide plausible deniability, which is usually irrelevant when a pissed off neighbor is looking for someone to blame.

Plausible deniability is all you need, though. I think you're undervaluing it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Plausible deniability is all you need, though. I think you're undervaluing it.

I think you're overvaluing people accepting a denial at face value. We're not in a court of law, if your neighbor is raging pissed after being ratted out to the bylaw cops he's going to take that out on someone.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by pylon

I'm just gonna throw this in here re: confronting neighbours.

A little over a year ago, I was convinced, without a shadow of a doubt, I was 100% in the right about a flag our neighbour had in their backyard. We live on a ridge, with a panoramic mountain view in Cochrane, and he erected a Canadian flag on his back fence, smack dab in the center of the mountain view. Is it tacky patriotism? Yes. Is it the last thing you want to obstruct an incredible view of the Rocky Mountains with? Yes. Does it bag and clang when it's windy? Every time. Are other neighbors disjointed about it? Yup.

Is it legal? 100%.

As long as it is an Alberta or Canadian flag, it is 100% a non-issue. All I read in the city by-laws was "Nobody can erect flagpoles, temp structures over X height, etc etc etc.... and didn't read all the fine print about what types of flags.

After politely asking him to remove it, and him saying no, things got ugly. Outside of questionable tastes in flag positioning, I had no issues with them, and they were pretty decent neighbors. But it did get heated, things were said both ways that can't be taken back, and then a pandemic hit, and a flag on someone's fence, really seems like a non-issue, and I really learned a lesson about how to behave when not getting my way. I also found out he was a veteran that didn't advertise the fact.

A year later, we've gotten close to patching it up. I've done a lot of snow shoveling to help his wife when he's out of town, offered Covid PPE to him as we have a surplus and just generally tried to be much better and more accepting neighbours. We are on speaking terms again, but in the end, I should have asked, and when I didn't get the answer I didn't like, I should have just accepted it.

This situation sounds similar, and I suggest you not stare at the poop.

A flag is a little different than poop. Just a little haha.

Does your neighbors flag stink? Is it a potential health hazard. Does the grade between your properties cause turd runoff during rainstorms? Was my neighbor a turd specialist in the past and is proud of his acheivement? Is the flag about 10 feet from your bbq?

But you are correct, a backyard full of turds doesn’t obstruct my mountain view.

You’re not exactly comparing apples to apples and if you were looking at a mountain view over a backyard of turds i’m sure you wouldn’t be so accommodating.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by pylon

There is nothing illegal about a dog pooping on your own property. And in situations like this and flagpoles.... what may be an infuriating act of misjustice, might be very well a total non-issue to others. When does the illegal part kick in? 8 turds? 30 turds? 120 turds? It is completely subjective.

As a dog owner, I tend to pick up after our dogs every few days. But when it's colder than the surface of Mars out... I'm sorry, the frozen turds can wait a week if required.

And the point of my post from the beginning, was think hard about how you handle the confrontation. I still believe the flag sucks, but it didn't suck so bad, I had to spend the better part of a year side eyeing my neighbor, and contemplating security cameras in case our property was vandalized. And that was on me, for handling it poorly.

Fyi it is illegal. Check the Calgary by laws. There’s a few laws that say you have to pick up even on private property.

Sounds like your neighbor might have had enough of the turds in your yard and didn’t care about the flag interfering with your view.

Now i think you’re the problem not your neighbors flag.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Fyi it is illegal. Check the Calgary by laws. There’s a few laws that say you have to pick up even on private property.

Sounds like your neighbor might have had enough of the turds in your yard and didn’t care about the flag interfering with your view.

Now i think you’re the problem not your neighbors flag.

It needs to be illegal. Animal feces a huge reason zoonotic diseases make the jump to humans. We have been living with a pandemic for over a year now because of a zoonotic disease caused from unsanitary practices involving animals.

I am willing to bet there is a correlation between life expectancy and a population of people living around animal poo. One dog might not make a huge difference, but it's like littering. If you let people get away with it, it can eventually become a hazard.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Are these the type of people that run a tight ship, or are they slobby procrastinators? I mean, if they have a museum-clean house and a manicured property okay, but let's be honest, they're probably pigs giving out advice like this. I'd ignore it.

If your dog ####s, pick it up right away. It's the deal with owning a dog. Plus, it doesn't even make sense. What, are you going to keep track of the date of each pile of ####? Like put little flags on the crap piles with best before stickers? Come on...if there's ####, pick it up. It's so uncomplicated.

That was my thought at the time. The thought was drier crap is easier to handle....but to me, crap is crap.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It needs to be illegal. Animal feces a huge reason zoonotic diseases make the jump to humans. We have been living with a pandemic for over a year now because of a zoonotic disease caused from unsanitary practices involving animals.

I am willing to bet there is a correlation between life expectancy and a population of people living around animal poo. One dog might not make a huge difference, but it's like littering. If you let people get away with it, it can eventually become a hazard.

I would disagree. Poo helps fertilize fields, increase crop yields, and exposes people to potential immune-challenging events. One of the big problems today is cancer and auto-immune issues. That is because we are all "Too Clean". We protect ourselves so much, that these rates are headed upwards.

I understand that being clean, aseptic technique, washing hands, etc. are all important, but I think they all have their place. We live in such bacteria-free worlds, that our immune systems have nothing to do, and in a lot of circumstances, somehow end up causing issues for people at unprecedented rates.

Keep in mind that farming includes animal husbandry as well as crop farming, which also uses poo to fertilize fields and crops:

"Some evidence suggests that farming is one of the healthiest occupations. One Australian study showed that farmers were a third less likely to suffer from a chronic illness, and 40% less likely to visit a GP than non-farm workers. Researchers from the US compared mortality rates among farmers against rates for the general population and found farmers less likely to die from cancer, heart diseases or diabetes. And studies in Sweden and France have also showed farmers are healthier than non-farmers."

This link has 3 peer-revioewed journal articles, probably suggesting otherwise.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...ou-live-to-100

[Dion]

Sliver and dog threads are always legendary. In a good way of course.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

Fyi it is illegal. Check the Calgary by laws. There’s a few laws that say you have to pick up even on private property.

Sounds like your neighbor might have had enough of the turds in your yard and didn’t care about the flag interfering with your view.

Now i think you’re the problem not your neighbors flag.

I actually laughed out loud at this. There's a 6 foot fence separating us, and you might be able to see 10 feet of my yard from his deck, which is a flower bed.

How much do you guys think a dog craps? There might be 5 poops to pick up every 3 or 4 days when you factor in the times they do their business on walks. I don't know a single dog owner that picks up every turd the second a dog drops it. It's less messy to wait a day for it to dry and your not smearing wet crap into your grass.

At least I had the courage and balls to actually talk to the guy face to face, I admittedly handled it very poorly and that's where it went off the rails. I don't regret approaching him, I regret approaching him with bad info and losing my cool. What's even funnier, is the people here too gutless to actually tell someone they don't like something their neighbor is doing.

The whole point of the original post, which a lot of you seem to ignore, is pick your words wisely and have your powder dry, and I didn't. What do you think your neighbour is going to think? Oh some guy 2 streets over complained about my dog poop in my fenced in yard. There is 2 possibilities, left or right, you might as well have the courage to own the gripe, instead of potentially throwing the other neighbour under the bus too.

Or....... you can be spineless, and call the turd police.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Sliver

What kind of dog do you figure is the best for protecting its owners from wildlife?

stampsx2 neighbour’s dog.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by troutman

I started watching After Life with Ricky Gervais. After his wife dies of cancer, their dog is literally the only thing keeping him from killing himself so far.

That show turned out to be way better than I expected.

[SportsJunky]

Hang in there pylon. You just got back for Christ's sake.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by pylon

I actually laughed out loud at this. There's a 6 foot fence separating us, and you might be able to see 10 feet of my yard from his deck, which is a flower bed.

How much do you guys think a dog craps? There might be 5 poops to pick up every 3 or 4 days when you factor in the times they do their business on walks. I don't know a single dog owner that picks up every turd the second a dog drops it. It's less messy to wait a day for it to dry and your not smearing wet crap into your grass.

At least I had the courage and balls to actually talk to the guy face to face, I admittedly handled it very poorly and that's where it went off the rails. I don't regret approaching him, I regret approaching him with bad info and losing my cool. What's even funnier, is the people here too gutless to actually tell someone they don't like something their neighbor is doing.

The whole point of the original post, which a lot of you seem to ignore, is pick your words wisely and have your powder dry, and I didn't. What do you think your neighbour is going to think? Oh some guy 2 streets over complained about my dog poop in my fenced in yard. There is 2 possibilities, left or right, you might as well have the courage to own the gripe, instead of potentially throwing the other neighbour under the bus too.

Or....... you can be spineless, and call the turd police.

Go talk to your neighbour if you want nothing to happen. Call bylaw if you want to compel them to stop acting like fata faces.

Courage doesn't enter into it lol.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

What kind of dog do you figure is the best for protecting its owners from wildlife?

Dude, we get it. You hate dogs and pets in general, and can't seem to understand how other people do. I actually find it pretty disgusting how you talked about your pet cat and locked it in a garage, it almost sounds like animal abuse to be honest. It seems you have some sort of transactional expectation of an animal, and don't either have the caring in you, or are simply too callous to care about the welfare of another living thing.

Here's the thing, a lot of people do make amazing connections with their pets. And the transaction you typically make is to take care of the animal, not the other way around. I went through a couple extremely rough patches in life, that without my dog, I don't know if I would have made it out of. Dogs know when you are sad, they will quietly sit there free of judgement and be there for you. Just petting my dog after a brutally stressful day, lowers my heart rate.

Just because you personally don't get it, doesn't mean they need to be eradicated and made extinct like you suggested before 'dess'. You need to get off this little schtick, and realize that other people might have interests and connections with things, that don't suit your narrow minded narrative. It used to be funny, now it's just sad.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Go talk to your neighbour if you want nothing to happen. Call bylaw if you want to compel them to stop acting like fata faces.

Courage doesn't enter into it lol.

That's more narrow minded BS.

I've resolved many disputes peacefully and without animosity by simply talking to neighbours. The one time it blew up in my face, was when I was completely wrong, which I deserved the short end on.

I've called a by law officer exactly zero times in my life, and had I about the flag, the result would have been no different. I wouldn't want to hide behind a bylaw officer in that case as it could have been 3 or 4 other people, and I wouldn't want anyone else to have any sort of animosity because of something I requested. I stand behind my convictions and will never say anything behind someone's back, or behind the veil of a peace officer, I wouldn't say to their face.