Brad Treliving needs to go

[Saqe]

Said this before but I don't know how you let Treliving hire another HC at this point, his choices have been awful. Even if you like the other things he has done in the past seven years, getting the next HC right should alone be the reason to move on from him.

[Flamesfan05]

To be polite, Treliving is a dumbass

[Erick Estrada]

If someone told you the day Treliving was hired that 7 years later the team would have a single playoff series win to show for a 2/3 decade tenure how many of you would call that a disastrous hire? Probably all of you. Well that's where we are today and it doesn't help that lone playoff series win was with Feaster's team and head coach.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Brad Treliving is to hockey management as Boston Pizza is to fine dining.

[kyuss275]

Ideally there is a gm out there that flames owners could hire now. I have no idea if there is? If there is , you bring him now so he can evaluate for rest of season and make changes in off season. The problem with firing Tre in off season and grabbing new gm , is normally they want time to evaluate on ice product before making trades. This team core and coach needs to be changed .I’m a supporter of Brad but his time has come.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If someone told you the day Treliving was hired that 7 years later the team would have a single playoff series win to show for a 2/3 decade tenure how many of you would call that a disastrous hire? Probably all of you. Well that's where we are today and it doesn't help that lone playoff series win was with Feaster's team and head coach.

Yeah. His results have been incredibly inadequate to this point, and there's really no reason he should retain the position since he's had long enough to show his capability. It's great he's good at signing favorable deals most of the time and did good with the Hamilton/Lindholm trade, but he's too happy to give up draft capital in this cap world, and the prospect base is weak because of it. And of course, no playoff success outside of the one where he inherited the team rather than did anything to it. Plus wasting prime years in the core's window by not having a reliable starting goalie.

The team is now regressing rather than getting better, despite having a strong roster. If he bought in a coach, that could reverse that trajectory, but arguably he shouldn't be the one to do that with his dismal coaching hire record.

[bluejays]

Earlier in the year there were rumours of Doug Wilson being on the hot seat. Maybe wait until seasons end to see if he’s available.

[bubbsy]

It's amazing, 7 years in, 1 series win, and arguably the worst core in all of Canada, and likely one of the weakest prospect pools as well.

It's shameful to not have one or the other.

Yet folks have been singing his praises, even entering this season. He's useless. No strategy, no vision, nadda.

[Red]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

It's amazing, 7 years in, 1 series win, and arguably the worst core in all of Canada, and likely one of the weakest prospect pools as well.

It's shameful to not have one or the other.

Yet folks have been singing his praises, even entering this season. He's useless. No strategy, no vision, nadda.

Pretty much this. He talked about building a larger team that's tough to play against. Meanwhile he kept going after guys like Foo, Czarnik, Ryan and whiffing on guys like Kane, ROR, PLD, Anderson, Stone, Toffoli and on and on.

Too afraid to make a meaningful change.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Red

Pretty much this. He talked about building a larger team that's tough to play against. Meanwhile he kept going after guys like Foo, Czarnik, Ryan and whiffing on guys like Kane, ROR, PLD, Anderson, Stone, Toffoli and on and on.

Too afraid to make a meaningful change.

At this point, screw size. I want a gm to build around speed.

It's way easier to sprinkle in toughness/physicality around a speed/skill based roster vs the other way around.

Treliving looks like a ea sports nhl game gm, just looking at overall rather than having a team building strategy around an identity....

[Red]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

At this point, screw size. I want a gm to build around speed.

It's way easier to sprinkle in toughness/physicality around a speed/skill based roster vs the other way around.

Treliving looks like a ea sports nhl game gm, just looking at overall rather than having a team building strategy around an identity....

Yup, a guy with no plan built a team with no identity.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Red

Pretty much this. He talked about building a larger team that's tough to play against. Meanwhile he kept going after guys like Foo, Czarnik, Ryan and whiffing on guys like Kane, ROR, PLD, Anderson, Stone, Toffoli and on and on.

Too afraid to make a meaningful change.

I gotta step in here. Treliving has never been afraid of meaningful change. He’s made some ballsy big name moves over the years. Where I haven’t been happy about his moves are twofold: final touch signings (Brouwer, Neal), and flavour of the month chasing. It certainly seems from my standpoint that he’s overpaid to acquire the big name and say he won the match. Both of the above it’s bothered me. Guys like Zucker and Hamonic, are not guys you pay top dollar for to stroke your ego and show off you got the media big fish. Those types of moves probably detracted him from building an identity for the team. But anyway, it is what it is and the prospect pool isn’t that high as many other teams. Average GM at best.

[Vinny01]

End of the day Treliving decided that giving this core another run was better than the other options that were available to him. Making that decision and sticking with a mediocre first time NHL head coach has this team in the midst of a brutal season.

I have supported Treliving but based on the decisions he made this past offseason and the performance to date it is tough to say he deserves to stay.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

If someone told you the day Treliving was hired that 7 years later the team would have a single playoff series win to show for a 2/3 decade tenure how many of you would call that a disastrous hire? Probably all of you. Well that's where we are today and it doesn't help that lone playoff series win was with Feaster's team and head coach.

Treliving has had his time. Barring a playoff miracle (IF we even make the playoffs) and actually winning a round or two in arguably the weakest division in hockey, Treliving needs to go. Unfortunately, I don’t think he is the first to go. I think the core will be revamped/retooled in the offseason, and Treliving/Ward get one more season. I don’t want that to happen but that’s what I predict.

[Flames_F.T.W]

It seems like everyone BUT management was aware that sweeping changes were needed, especially to this core. We just missed out on the perfect window to recoup assets in a deep 2020 draft and a season without fans. Can anyone say this team would be worse if we had moved Gaudreau or Monahan for a top prospect and a pick this past off season? The apathy from the core players on this team had made this a tough season to watch. I could handle a losing season if they were playing with a little passion

[Red]

Originally Posted by fleury

I gotta step in here. Treliving has never been afraid of meaningful change. He’s made some ballsy big name moves over the years. Where I haven’t been happy about his moves are twofold: final touch signings (Brouwer, Neal), and flavour of the month chasing. It certainly seems from my standpoint that he’s overpaid to acquire the big name and say he won the match. Both of the above it’s bothered me. Guys like Zucker and Hamonic, are not guys you pay top dollar for to stroke your ego and show off you got the media big fish. But anyway, it is what it is and the prospect pool isn’t that high as many other teams. Average GM at best.

He hasn't made a meaningful move at forward, he did get Hamilton and then Hanifin/Lids. But these guys are not top players ,they are just average. Neal and Brouwer were not top players either.
We knew after the Colorado series that this top line needed to be changed. 2 offseasons later it's still the same.
But more to the point, he was in on these big name players, some that would help this team immensely, but delivered on 0.

His biggest move is Markstom. But that's after a few failed attempts to bring a starting G. Now we will have a top G on a rebuilding team. Makes no sense.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Red

He hasn't made a meaningful move at forward, he did get Hamilton and then Hanifin/Lids. But these guys are not top players ,they are just average. Neal and Brouwer were not top players either.
We knew after the Colorado series that this top line needed to be changed. 2 offseasons later it's still the same.
But more to the point, he was in on these big name players, some that would help this team immensely, but delivered on 0.

His biggest move is Markstom. But that's after a few failed attempts to bring a starting G. Now we will have a top G on a rebuilding team. Makes no sense.

Agree almost completely. After last seasons rubbing out and the previous seasons loss to Colorado, it was clear bigger, faster players were needed. He’s epically failed in that regard to not realize that, or surround himself with people who would advise him of that. I don’t know why they’d go with their current core where Gaudreau and Monahan specifically are perfect second line players in creating their own space and finishing).

Nobody probably predicted this type of season though, and the light at the end of the tunnel is a good goaltender. In a rebuilding team the tradition of building from the goaltender out is probably still a good idea.

I also believe Burke had a part in this. He was at the time with the Leafs, for pushing the rebuild to be faster at the time. Having that character as your President means he was likely encouraged from going full rebuild but that was about three seasons back, and is mostly a side note. This team has no choice now because the high end skill is bare. Perhaps Hall can be had cheaper this off season but I don’t think he’ll come cheap to replace the guys (Gaudreau and Monahan) going out the door.

It’s really interesting how this board has changed opinion from a month ago. I preached this wasn’t a good team and guys like Backlund were overpaid. The past month has shown this team needs a strip down.

[Red]

Originally Posted by fleury

Agree almost completely. After last seasons rubbing out and the previous seasons loss to Colorado, it was clear bigger, faster players were needed. He’s epically failed in that regard to not realize that, or surround himself with people who would advise him of that. I don’t know why they’d go with their current core where Gaudreau and Monahan specifically are perfect second line players in creating their own space and finishing).

Nobody probably predicted this type of season though, and the light at the end of the tunnel is a good goaltender. In a rebuilding team the tradition of building from the goaltender out is probably still a good idea.

I also believe Burke had a part in this. He was at the time with the Leafs, for pushing the rebuild to be faster at the time. Having that character as your President means he was likely encouraged from going full rebuild but that was about three seasons back, and is mostly a side note. This team has no choice now because the high end skill is bare. Perhaps Hall can be had cheaper this off season but I don’t think he’ll come cheap to replace the guys (Gaudreau and Monahan) going out the door.

It’s really interesting how this board has changed opinion from a month ago. I preached this wasn’t a good team and guys like Backlund were overpaid. The past month has shown this team needs a strip down.

Ya, some guys on here spend just about every waking hour defending players and coaches/GM so it's hard for them to admit to being mistaken. I have seen a shift though, some of the "always sunny here" posters are coming out with sharp criticism. It's probably because as you said, noone saw THIS. This team was supposed to be battling with the Leafs for top place. They look worse than Ottawa, except for Markstrom's steals. It's indefensible at this point.

The expansion draft protection list probably looks a lot different that it did a month ago for all of us.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Red

He hasn't made a meaningful move at forward, he did get Hamilton and then Hanifin/Lids. But these guys are not top players ,they are just average. Neal and Brouwer were not top players either.
We knew after the Colorado series that this top line needed to be changed. 2 offseasons later it's still the same.
But more to the point, he was in on these big name players, some that would help this team immensely, but delivered on 0.

His biggest move is Markstom. But that's after a few failed attempts to bring a starting G. Now we will have a top G on a rebuilding team. Makes no sense.

At a time the Flames badly needed a top 6 RW his big trade is to give up a 1st and two 2nd round picks for Hamonic whose stock dropped so much that he's making league minimum today. Brad Treliving everyone.

[Enoch Root]

So who's call is it with respect to Treliving's job?

Is it ownership? Is it Maloney?

With King and Burke gone, where exactly are we these days?