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Flamenspiel · 03-01-2021, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

If he can’t get back a capable 3rd liner why move him now? They move him for a pick and we will be seeing Simon playing full time. That guy shouldn’t be in the nhl. Better off waiting to trade deadline and see where they sit .

This exactly, now that Lindholm is back on wing Sam is penned in as centre on the third line. If you get rid of him how do you replace that position?

Our problem right now is that other then the fact that our top three does not match up with the top contenders is that the 4th line is one of the worst in the NHL. Sam is not an issue, lines 2 and 3 are fine. Basically moving people around to fix 1st line issues has failed.

David Struch · 03-01-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Toonage

On Sam Bennett:

The Flames are not giving him away and if they can’t get a decent return for Bennett, they might just cut their losses and leave him available for Seattle at the expansion draft. As of right now, the asking price sounds higher than what teams are willing to pay. Said one Eastern Conference executive on Bennett’s value: “Not nearly what (GM Brad Treliving) thinks it is. But I don’t blame him.”

Thank you.

Sam Bennett likely ends up with the Leafs on show me contract.

gt4flames · 03-01-2021, 09:52 AM

^^ How did you go from reading exposed to Seattle, to the Leafs on a show me contract?
Are there a few years I'm missing?

SuperMatt18 · 03-01-2021, 09:52 AM

I still think the best thing to do here is look at the Seguin, and Duchene packages to get an idea of what the starting point for Eichel.

Eichel (Seguin)

for

Monahan (Eriksson)
B Prospect - (Smith)
B Prospect - (Morrow)

or

Eichel (Duchene)

for

Monahan (Turris)
B Prospect (Shane Bowers)
Conditional 1st
Conditional 3rd

(Turris was then flipped for more pieces but this was the initial Ottawa-Colorado portion of the trade)

Probably a bit more for Eichel since he was better than Duchene or Seguin were at the time of the deal, but really I don't see a Lindros package happening here. The team trading the elite young player tends to always be disappointed in the return when these trades happen. Plus it's tough for any team to fit in $10M of cap space.

I think the Flames could make the following work cap wise.

Monahan
Bennett
2021 1st Round Pick
2021 3rd Round Pick (EDM)
Prospect

for

Eichel

David Struch · 03-01-2021, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Red

Well you move Bennett so this situation doesn't become a distraction. If it isn't already. It's just not a good idea to keep him, especially with the production you get from him.

If you just give him away to Seattle then why hold off for a ransom trade? This is like Burke holding out on Camalleri trades only to lose him for nothing.

Wonder what offers he is receiving.

Mike Cammalleri was on fire to end the season too, he could've done a lot of damage in the playoffs for someone. I was surprised no one would pay a 2nd for Cammalleri, Mike may have even been worth a late 1st?

GioforPM · 03-01-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I still think the best thing to do here is look at the Seguin, and Duchene packages to get an idea of what the starting point for Eichel.

Eichel (Seguin)

for

Monahan (Eriksson)
B Prospect - (Smith)
B Prospect - (Morrow)

or

Eichel (Duchene)

for

Monahan (Turris)
B Prospect (Shane Bowers)
Conditional 1st
Conditional 3rd

(Turris was then flipped for more pieces but this was the initial Ottawa-Colorado portion of the trade)

Probably a bit more for Eichel since he was better than Duchene or Seguin were at the time of the deal, but really I don't see a Lindros package happening here. The team trading the elite young player tends to always be disappointed in the return when these trades happen. Plus it's tough for any team to fit in $10M of cap space.

The last sentence changes the deal a lot. Seguin and DuChene were both on pretty reasonable contracts when they were traded (their teams have since messed that up). Seguin had a fair number of years left on his too. Eichel on the other hand, is on a contract that looks expensive even now. He’s gonna have to step it up to earn it, even based on his previous numbers. Whereas Monahan’s contract is quite nice, and he’s not going to be in line for a big raise.

David Struch · 03-01-2021, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gt4flames

^^ How did you go from reading exposed to Seattle, to the Leafs on a show me contract?
Are there a few years I'm missing?

The Kraken probably won't qualify Bennett on his $2,550,000 contract, Sam will go UFA.

Seattle has much better options to choose from on the Flames D, Calgary can only protect three of Giordano, Hanifin, Andersson, Tanev, Kylington.

Flamenspiel · 03-01-2021, 10:04 AM

The Seguin trade was a bad deal for Boston, basically a fleecing. That would certainly be nice for the Flames but I don’t see that happening again.

Duchene was not a top ten, still a fleecing by Colorado. Both deals were made by patient GMs preying on a bad front office(Chiapet).

SuperMatt18 · 03-01-2021, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

The Seguin trade was a bad deal for Boston, basically a fleecing. That would certainly be nice for the Flames but I don’t see that happening again.

Duchene was not a top ten, still a fleecing by Colorado. Both deals were made by patient GMs preying on a bad front office(Chiapet).

Lots of differences about the players, deals, contracts etc.

But it's just the best recent examples of centers that were top 2 picks in the draft being traded and the package they received.

I think overall an Eichel trade would be a blend of the return of those two deals.

And I think it also depends what Buffalo wants in return.

If they purely want futures then LA or NYR probably have the inside track. But if they want a top 6 center back in return then Monahan is probably one of the best centers that would potentially be available in return.

The Yen Man · 03-01-2021, 10:18 AM

So how bad is Skinner now? If Buffalo hypothetically agreed to eat the max cap space on it (50%?), would he be a decent option at $4.5M? Or is that still overpaying? Guy is only 28.

Toonage · 03-01-2021, 10:19 AM

Given that you'd be hoping for a return to form and still concerned over his concussion history I'd stay away.

Roof-Daddy · 03-01-2021, 10:22 AM

Skinner got his big contract and two seasons later he's down to 0.03 points per game.

He's got 1 assist in 16 games.

Can't afford to gamble on that.

Enoch Root · 03-01-2021, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So how bad is Skinner now? If Buffalo hypothetically agreed to eat the max cap space on it (50%?), would he be a decent option at $4.5M? Or is that still overpaying? Guy is only 28.

why would you want to acquire him at any price?

jroc · 03-01-2021, 10:26 AM

Was listening to 960 this morning, and the guys were just blasting the Sabres roster (and rightfully so). Looking at their 4 highest paid forwards, they have 3 goals and a $33M cap hit.. yikes.

Eichel - $10M - 2 goals
Skinner - $9M - 0 goals
Hall - $8M - 1 goal
Okposo - $6M - 0 goals

Sylvanfan · 03-01-2021, 10:27 AM

The term on that deal is a killer. Even if you stomach the deal for 2 more years, you're looking at taking 8 years at around 3 million to get out of it.

GioforPM · 03-01-2021, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So how bad is Skinner now? If Buffalo hypothetically agreed to eat the max cap space on it (50%?), would he be a decent option at $4.5M? Or is that still overpaying? Guy is only 28.

Still bad, and it lasts for years and years.

Unrelated question: can you ask a team for a retention of cap space but agree to pay all the cash salary? If the trading team is on a budget? Not that the Flames would do it.

Scroopy Noopers · 03-01-2021, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The Yen Man

So how bad is Skinner now? If Buffalo hypothetically agreed to eat the max cap space on it (50%?), would he be a decent option at $4.5M? Or is that still overpaying? Guy is only 28.

They have him on the fourth line and are gifting him PP2 minutes. It’s bad.

The Yen Man · 03-01-2021, 10:56 AM

Huh, didn't know it was that bad. I was just spit balling. I don't think he's as bad as this year is showing, but you'd definitely have to be wary of if he's just fallen off a cliff similar to Dany Heatley.

CliffFletcher · 03-01-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

If he can’t get back a capable 3rd liner why move him now? They move him for a pick and we will be seeing Simon playing full time. That guy shouldn’t be in the nhl. Better off waiting to trade deadline and see where they sit .

Because bleeding assets like that is one of the reasons this franchise has been spinning its wheels in mediocrity for decades. If the Flames talent pool is so thin they have to hang onto a 3rd line winger for the rest of the season, they’re not gonna win anything anyway.

SuperMatt18 · 03-01-2021, 11:03 AM

Honestly I think that Skinner's demise has more to do with the coach.

Skill wise people seem to say he's the same player he's always been. He's just not good defensively and Kruger doesn't seem to like him as a player. So he's on the 4th line.

His chance generation and xGF numbers are still strong, just not getting any finish this year (not surprising when playing with 4th liners).