2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Who are the centers that are definitely better than Eichel who are under 27? I would have the following on my list

McDavid
Matthews
MacKinnon
Draisaitl

Then you have about 6 that one can make an argument are around the same (maybe better, maybe worse) as Eichel

Point
Scheifele
Barkov
Aho
Pettersson
Barzal

What is the value of a young center that is anywhere between the 5th to 10th best at his position for his age group and makes 10 million a year? Is he a guy you give up most of your remaining prospect base for? Is he a guy you give up some of your limited depth for?

Do you guys really think Eichel wouldn't have 100+ points playing with McDavid and 30 mins a night (and spare me the lies that they don't play together)

Drai is a really good player but I think sometimes he is over rated. What 70% of his points had McDavid on the ice last year? Imagine the room you get...Ty Rattie looked like the second coming for a while there.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Considering he played with Ovechkin, his assist totals are what I’d expect. Except when he doesn’t play with Ovechkin, in which case his assist totals aren’t great.

He replaced Backstrom but now he’s been replaced by Backstrom.

You may like him better, but it’s not a huge gap and saying stuff like “31 GMs would take him over Monahan” is just hyperbole. If his 7.8M for 52 points last year is good value, then Monahan’s $6.375 for 48 is even better. One has 8 seasons, 395 points. The other has 8 seasons, but is younger, plays with a lesser talent and has 426 points.

Zero hyperbole in that statement, I'll stand by it.

52 points in 63 games for Kuznetsov, BTW. 0.83 PPG

Monahan scored 48 in 70 games, or a 0.68 PPG

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Zero hyperbole in that statement, I'll stand by it.

52 points in 63 games for Kuznetsov, BTW. 0.83 PPG

Monahan scored 48 in 70 games, or a 0.68 PPG

No one cares if anyone “stands by” their statement.

But PPG? That was Monahan’s worst year since his rookie year. Do the year before. Or 16-17. Or 14-15.

These guys have comparable stats and one of them, again, plays with a guy who scores 45-50 on the regular.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

All those guys are rentals, and underperforming ones at that.

For sure, I'm just saying that in this terrible trade market it makes sense for BUF to focus on getting the best returns for their expiring assets.

Hall should still fetch a 1st+
Staal a 2nd+
Montour probably a 2nd+


Funny fact: BUF's ESG leaders are Lazar (4) and Rieder (3); 3rd and 4th in total goals behind Reinhart and Olofsson who have a bunch on the PP

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

For sure, I'm just saying that in this terrible trade market it makes sense for BUF to focus on getting the best returns for their expiring assets.

Hall should still fetch a 1st+
Staal a 2nd+
Montour probably a 2nd+


Funny fact: BUF's ESG leaders are Lazar (4) and Rieder (3); 3rd and 4th in total goals behind Reinhart and Olofsson who have a bunch on the PP

Does Reider have any SHGs? I miss him there.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Does Reider have any SHGs? I miss him there.

Looks like he's tied for 1st (and last) with 0 SHG.

[SportsJunky]

Detroit's Anthony Mantha RW has 9 points and is a -10 this season. He is pointless and -7 in his last 9 games. Like Sam Bennett, Mantha has been benched this season and didn't much like it. I believe he is a better player than Sam Bennett and I think he would fit in nicely on the top 6 for Calgary. C'mon Tre, make Yzerman an offer.

*edit - Mantha makes $5.75M for the next 4 years. There goes that idea.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one cares if anyone “stands by” their statement.

Cool, good talk.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

But PPG? That was Monahan’s worst year since his rookie year. Do the year before. Or 16-17. Or 14-15.

How about career PPG? Kuznetsov's got him there, too. Playoffs it's even more lopsided, especially production at Even Strength.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

These guys have comparable stats and one of them, again, plays with a guy who scores 45-50 on the regular.

It goes both ways if you're making a fair comparison. You discredit Kuznetsov for having an elite triggerman, but no mention that Monahan has benefited tremendously from having an elite playmaker.

Monahan's jump in production is directly linked to playing with Johnny. His PPG nearly doubled from his rookie season to their first season together.

[Roof-Daddy]

Mantha has his warts, but if you're going to wait for the perfect player to become available, you're going to be waiting a long time.

A prime aged big bodied top 6 winger who can score goals fills a need for sure.

Not a bad contract either for what he usually brings.

[edslunch]

This NHL top 20 centre list from November has Eichel #6 and Monahan absent.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current...rs/c-319621210

This TSN top 50 player list from 2021 has Eichel at #8 and Monahan absent.

https://www.tsn.ca/still-no-1-connor...year-1.1576126

Suffice to say people outside this forum don’t see them at anywhere near the same level.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This NHL top 20 centre list from November has Eichel #6 and Monahan absent.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current...rs/c-319621210

This TSN top 50 player list from 2021 has Eichel at #8 and Monahan absent.

https://www.tsn.ca/still-no-1-connor...year-1.1576126

Suffice to say people outside this forum don’t see them at anywhere near the same level.

The people who think its close are delusional homers. I'm not bothering at this point.

[dino7c]

Who said Monahan is close to Eichel?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by edslunch

This NHL top 20 centre list from November has Eichel #6 and Monahan absent.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-current...rs/c-319621210

This TSN top 50 player list from 2021 has Eichel at #8 and Monahan absent.

https://www.tsn.ca/still-no-1-connor...year-1.1576126

Suffice to say people outside this forum don’t see them at anywhere near the same level.

I have seen ONE poster in this thread suggest that Eichel and Monahan are on the same level. Suffice to say that you are misrepresenting "this forum."

Besides that, some of those player rankings in the TSN list are ludicrous.

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[Sandman]

THN has Eichel ranked as the league's 13th best player, 8th best C. They make a point of mentioning that everyone has been wondering what he can do with elite linemates, and he finally may have one in Hall. I don't think the two of them have the chemistry though.

9 of Eichel's goals last year were game winners, good for third best in the league. This is an elite player needing a change.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by New Era

Except score, play any level of defense, make others around him better, and win? If fans are pissed at Monahan wait until they get a load of this guy! Then again, there is a contingent on this site that prefers to cheer for individual success over team success, so maybe Eichel is the perfect fit for those fans? I want a team that plays for each other and wins, not individuals who play flashy and get their heads caved in.

No disrespect intended, but Eichel had over a ppg the two years before this one, and just under a ppg the year before that, despite not having top-tier players to play with-so he can score. 9 GWG last year, too. He was 8th in Hart Trophy voting as well-ahead of Matthews, Kucherov, Ovi, and Kane.

Of course he makes players around him better, just ask guys like Reinhart, and Olofsson. He's a play-driver, and his 42 assists last year led the team (his 12 assists lead the team currently).

His defence doesn't match up with a guy like Couturier or Barkov, but I'm sure he matches up with Matthews, or MacDavid in this category-and we don't ever feel the need to talk about their defence. Eichel gets the puck, it goes the other way immediately.

Fans here will not be upset having Eichel over Monahan,in any way, shape, or form- that's pure hyperbole. Eichel is a better player in every way than Mony, and the fact that he's fast and drives play changes the dynamic of our offence. Like I said earlier, put Johnny on his wing, and he'll get 100pts easy. If he took Draisaitl's spot on the Oilers, he would have production comparable to Drai's.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Cool, good talk.



How about career PPG? Kuznetsov's got him there, too. Playoffs it's even more lopsided, especially production at Even Strength.



It goes both ways if you're making a fair comparison. You discredit Kuznetsov for having an elite triggerman, but no mention that Monahan has benefited tremendously from having an elite playmaker.

Monahan's jump in production is directly linked to playing with Johnny. His PPG nearly doubled from his rookie season to their first season together.

People laughing at a Monahan-Eichel comparison need to see your Gaudreau-Ovechkin comparison. Guadreau is a very good playmaker. Ovechkin is the best goal scorer ever.

Career PPG is between Monahan and Kuznetsov is .03 difference - congrats. Kuznetsov is also one of the worst defenders in the league. Two years ago he literally had the worst advanced stats defensively. Luckily, he and Ovechkin scored a ton.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by new era

big right shooting rw with puck retrieval skills and some ability to finish? Hells yes! Too bad we don't have any cap space. Maybe a trade? Ryan for connolly?

That does make some sense. Florida won't be able to move him if they don't take salary back. Maybe if they retain to match the cap hits with Ryan? So Connolly at 3.125 for two more years after this. Still a bit much but he does tick some boxes for the Flames and it's not like he's over the hill.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1366074387129118724

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People laughing at a Monahan-Eichel comparison need to see your Gaudreau-Ovechkin comparison. Guadreau is a very good playmaker. Ovechkin is the best goal scorer ever.

Career PPG is between Monahan and Kuznetsov is .03 difference - congrats. Kuznetsov is also one of the worst defenders in the league. Two years ago he literally had the worst advanced stats defensively. Luckily, he and Ovechkin scored a ton.

Doesn't Kuz have some attitude and conditioning issues? I seem to remember him getting a team suspension a few years back? I could be wrong....

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

THN has Eichel ranked as the league's 13th best player, 8th best C. They make a point of mentioning that everyone has been wondering what he can do with elite linemates, and he finally may have one in Hall. I don't think the two of them have the chemistry though.

9 of Eichel's goals last year were game winners, good for third best in the league. This is an elite player needing a change.

I haven’t seen enough of his play to say what kind of linemates he needs.

Game winning goals isn’t a stat that means a whole lot though. Lots of “insurance” type goals can turn into the game winner. I actually would put more stock in numbers for scoring first in a game, because the stats on winning games where that happens are so good.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Doesn't Kuz have some attitude and conditioning issues? I seem to remember him getting a team suspension a few years back? I could be wrong....

I don’t know about conditioning. He argues with teammates a lot. He’s obviously a good C. But he’s in a big romp of centres ranked between 20-30 that includes Monahan and a bunch of other guys. The claim that any GM would want him over Monahan is too broad because money, fit, role, character, age, all come into it.

I wouldn’t see him work well with Gaudreau, for example.